[Avot]

Kuulujutud ja "kurjad keeled" räägivad/arvavad (soome foorumis), et HTC Vive hakkab maksma 1500-1800e! Kui see t6esti nii on, siis Oculus Rift CV1 saavutab tunduva eelise. Vähemalt hinna suhtes.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/12/18/htc-vive-vr-big-breakthrough-ces/

[sooty]

Kuupalk on hind? Äkki hoopis 400 @ 1800 kuus "vastuvõetav", ei tea ju pakutud hinda...

Aga no kui ta seda väärt on, siis miks mitte.
Kui muidu identne ja ainult mingite lae-andurite eest tuleb 1000 otsa laduda, siis paneks mõtlema Ekraanid niikuinii praegu ju suht kehvakesed, tahavad veel tihedust saada

[Scart]

[Avot]

Scart. Ja taas sinult kohatu kommentaar! Midagi muud sinult ootata oleks olnud ka naiivne.
Loodan, et oskad eesti keelt minust paremini lugeda ja said aru s6nast kuulujutud? Mina ei väidä midagi, jagasin vaid infot, mis liigub teistes foorumites, ning lisasin lingi, kus kohast see kuulujutt arvatavasti alguse on saanud.
Minu ARVMUS aga on, et CV1 tuleb tunduvalt odavam kui HTC.
Selgitus eraldi kirjaoskamatu Scarti jaoks: SEE ON VAID MINU ARVAMUS!

sooty. Arvatavasti siit see k6lakas lahti läks, kuna HTC hinna puhul räägiti/v6rreldi kuupalkka. See on ainult "spekulatsioon" ja ei midagi rohkemat.

[Scart]

[Avot]

Scart. Ei viitsi ega taha sinuga siin mõistusest, ega ka millestki muust rääkida. Oled selleks liiga puudulik/labane persoona.
Aeg näitab mida hakkab maksma HTC ja CV1. Selles võid kindel olla, et mõlemate hind tuleb olema, koos vajalike "lisavidinatega" yle 500 euri (Euroopas/Eestis). Elame-näeme.

Siin väike näide, mida maksis isegi DK2 Soome tellituna:

Order Number: CR-xxxxxxx
Items:
Development Kit 2 ($350.00) x 1 = $350.00

Shipping: $55.00 USD
Tax: $97.20 USD
Order Total: $502.20 USD

[Scart]

[Avot]

Scart! Millal mina olen väitnud et hakkab maksma 1500? Oled sa loll, või mängid lolli? Mina lihtsalt kirjutasin kuulujuttudest, kuidas sa aru ei saa???

DK2 hind oli Soome tellituna: Order Number: CR-xxxxxxx
Items:
Development Kit 2 ($350.00) x 1 = $350.00

Shipping: $55.00 USD
Tax: $97.20 USD
Order Total: $502.20 USD

Kuna tulevates kasutatakse paremat ekraani ja kallimat tehnikat, siis kaldun arvama, et hind tuleb olema tunduvalt kallim kui DK2 puhul.

[Scart]

[Avot]

Scart. Oli äärmiselt "tore" sinuga "vestelda". Kui sinule midagi ei meeldi, soovitan ignoreerimist minu puhul kasutada, kuna sinul "kahjuks" puudub 6igus määräta kes mida ja millest siin kirjutab. Lyhidalt l6petan sinu kommenteerimise, sina ei ole seda väärt. Soovin soojalt 6nne ja jaksu/vedelat ja paksu.

[rmc]

Scart, ei ole mõtet paukuda, ta selgelt ütles, et soome foorumites käivad külakad sellise hinna üle..

[Scart]

[Avot]

Scart. Teen erandi ja kysin. Kas t6esti arvad, et sinul on 6igus määrata millest siin kirjutatakse? "Vabandan" kui soome foorumi k6lakas sind kuidagi häiris.
nüüd siis asjast kolmandasse, mida sina arvad, kui palju HTC maksma hakkab, arvesse v6ttes seda infot mis praegu teada on? V6i ei tohi ka sellist kysimust siin esitada, ilma sinu luba ja kuna sina ei jaga asjast m6hkugi???

[londiste]

Avot, sama palju kui konkurendid. kui täna räägitakse näiteks oculuse puhul 300-400€ hindadest ja halvemal juhul 500€ kanti, siis see 1600-1700€ on täiesti ebareaalne.

[Avot]

londiste. Olen n6us, et soome foorumi k6lakas ei vasta kinlasti mitte t6ele. Kirjutasin vaid sellepärast, et inimesed näevad tulevates hindades "punast"! Ise arvan, et HTC ei hakka hinnas Oculusega v6istlema, kuiv6rd erinevusega. HTC on väheke erinev toode ja Oculuse/Facebook suuruses firmaga v6rreldes jääb HTC kindlalt teiseks. Mingeid numbreid esile tuues räägime vaid spekulatsioonist. Mina arvan, et Oculus CV1 tuleb tunduvalt odavam kui esimene HTC komplekt. Selles suunas on ka vihjeid medias läbi käinud. Vaidlema ei hakka ja räägin vaid enda arvamusest, mis tugineb ainult ärivaistule ja loogikale. Elame näeme. Vabandan juba ette ära, kui kellelegi ei meeldi minu arvmus/nägemus.

[Serio]

See 1500.- hind on tulnud ühest arusaamatusest, mis kunagi Oculuse poolt välja käidi. Nad väitsid, et kogu süsteem maksab kuskil nii palju. Ehk arvatavasti ligikaudselt 1000.- arvuti + 500.- Rift.
HTC võib kallim tulla, sest sellel on kaasas 2 kontrollerit ja 2 baasjaama asukoha määramiseks. Riftil on kaasas XB kontroller aga need Oculuse enda omad (half-moons) pead juurde ostma kui tahad neid kasutada ja minuteada on Oculusel ainult 1 baasjaam.

Rift DK2 proovitud nüüd ja krt küll võtab sõnatuks. Ootan ostetud joysticku saabumist, siis saab Elite Dangerousi paugutama hakata. Klaviatuuriga ei taha eriti hästi õnnestuda. Tekkis selline tunne alguses kokpitis, et ei tea kas tasub klaviatuuriga proovida, võib ilusa lennumasina ära lõhkuda ju No ikka tõeliselt istud omas lennulaevas ja kõik suurused ja kaugused on täiesti ehtsalt tunnetatavad. Siit enam tagasiteed ei ole

[Avot]

Serio. Ega tagasiteed enam pole, kui korra "maitse suhu" on saanud. Tänaseks juba isegi veidi kahetsen, et DK2 ära myysin, kuigi pilt oli vilets minu silmale, siis elamus on aga ikka hoopis teine kui tava monitoriga mängides. Olen kindlasti esimeste seas, kes CV1 ostab, muidugi ka HTC tuleb ära proovida ja miks ka mitte Sony.

See k6rge HTC hinna k6lakas tuli minumeelest sellest, et arendajad rääkisid oma palgast ja samas vestluses räägiti ka HTC teemal jne. Link on seal, kus esimest korda mainisin sellest k6lakast.

[Serio]

Jah ilmselget on pilt ruuduline aga elamus suurelt jaolt taandab ruudud välja. Pikema kasutamise korral tahaks kindlasti paremat nagu inimestele loomuks on. Lohutaks ennast veel sellega, et saab ju ainult paremaks minna ja on mida oodata
Apollo 11 demo on tase omaette e. lend kuule ja siis see lõbustuspargi atraktsioon kus sind tiirutatakse-keerutatakse üles-alla. Pidin suht alguses prillid peast rabama kuna ei suutnud välja kannatada seda. Kuigi sa istud paigal oma toolis, siis nähtav liikumine tekitab istmesse vajumise tunde. Kolmandal katsel suutsin juba enam-vähem läbi teha aga kõhu alt tõmbas õõnsaks ikkagi ja mõned korrad sai ka silmad kinni pandud

[Avot]

Serio. Selle atraktsiooni demo on jah võimas. Mäletan yhes YoTube videos näidati kuidas väga paljud rabavad DK2 peast ära, kuna elamus on selle atraktsiiooniga liiga suur ja seega talumatu. Kui nüüd räägime samast demost, siis saab sealt "kiigelt" ka minema hypata, tunne on v6igas/võimas. alates 2:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR4pqB85mkE
Kui nüüd seda DK2 kasutad ja ära harjud, vaata kas sinul ei kao vahest ajataju ära? Pean silmas seda, et kui 6htul hakkad mängima ja kui järgmie kord DK2 peast ära v6tad on hommik käes. Minul juhtus Half LIfe 2 mängides peaaegu vastav situatsioon.

[Scart]

http://imgur.com/CG7lIPd

[summutaja]

Kas keegi oskab aidata, kuidas saab dk2 tööle win 10 64 bit all.
Tahaks nt dirt rallyt mängida.
dk2 drtiver on 8.0 beta.
Ükski mäng ei tunne dk2 ära

[Serio]

Oculus Configuration Utility näitab "Ready"?
Dirty sain käima küll aga 40FPS, mis ei ole just kõige mõnusam silmale. Pilt tuli alles siis ette kui Custom eventi valisin monitoril

[Avot]

Vähe lisa infot.

So I recently got to spend a long time with the consumer beta engineering sample '7' and was able to try many demos and have a good mess about with it...

Screens/Pixels The pixels are pretty much invisible now, when you 'really' focus you can see a fine pattern but only on some colors, on dark blue or green its solid and there is no pixel pattern or 'screen door'. on white you can see a very fine pattern but you CANNOT see the pixels like you can with the dk1 or 2.

The image is VERY uniform, the dark colors feel just as solid as the bright colors and there is no black smear or other screen based artefacts. The screen feels (and looks) higher resolution than the Vive & GearVR. Text is razor sharp. The Vive must be using a different screen or at least an earlier revision because I did notice the pixels more so in it.

A minor caveat here is that due to possibly a bug with the Unity integration or SDK/Unity blacks appeared dark grey. Changing the setting under 'player' from 'gamma' to 'linear' fixed the issue but please be aware if you get to try one and notice this. UE4 demos were flawless, blacks were incredibly deep and whites were even and punchy

Field Of View This is a controversial subject, and field of view is something I am unfortunately badly affected by, the narrower the worse so you will be glad to hear that is was NOT a problem. It's considerably wider than the DK2!!!!!

Now there are a few caveats, first is that the vertical field of view is shorter on the top edge (but not the bottom) and is significantly wider horizontally. and the second is that there seems to be some sort of semi-reflective material inside on the edges which 'blur' out the edges (past the screen, not on it!), you cannot see the edges, this made it VERY hard to get an accurate reading (and is probably why Oculus won't give us a solid number). The usable field of view is definitely wider than the DK2 according to some tests I did. After spending hours with it the viewing area is almost a square landscape (4:3ish?) viewing area, unlike the DK2's portrait viewing area. The field of view was satisfactory for me and I didn't get the claustrophobic feel i did in the DK2. 'black bars' are not an issue here. The upper field of view clip is NOT a problem, but it is something you may notice if you've just taken off a DK2 and put on the CB

I have included a graph of the field of view and viewing area between all of the major headsets I've tried. These are fairly accurate but as stated it is very hard to get an accurate reading on the CB as the edges are not clearly visible so there isn't really a defined "shape" unless you spend several hours looking for it and peeking into the lenses at funny angles :p.

http://puu.sh/mcw08/2d3660f0c2.png

Basically "It's wider, it's not a problem. Quit worrying about it!" is the general consensus I've come to.

Headset Features & Comfort The headset rests very comfortably on my head, the front faceplate (with the "foam" although it's not foam) can come away and is replaceable and there was no issue with lenses fogging up.

The headset is very light and feels very well built, the "material" seems to be made of some sort of dirt/water retardent and does not get dirty and it does NOT collect dandruff or other dirt.

This version of the consumer beta had a working IPD slider... and... OMG it is an absolute godsend, even if your IPD 'fits' with a standard, some games and experiences do not and this allows a quick 'scale' adjustment so you can get things to feel the right scale for each demo. You honestly don't know what your missing until you try it!

There was no light leak and the old trick of peaking through the nose hole at your keyboard will no longer be possible, the headset sits flush on your face and the only thing you will see is the virtual world.

Lenses/Optics The lenses are very good, there was no major issues and something I did notice was that the image is clear all over the display and not just in the middle. There was no chromatic aberration or other artefacts.

Tracking It works lol. The field of view of the camera is very wide, (greater than 90 degrees!) and has a good range of movement. It did not loose tracking and the camera itself felt well built and solid (the base was quite heavy so it won't tip over if knocked) It works which ever way your facing so standing experiences are now possible.

I could get on the floor and duck under desks etc in VR and never lost tracking, this was amazing!

I didn't measure the cable length but it was much longer than the DK2's cable, I would say 'at least' 10 feet but maybe longer. There was no sync cable, and the headset used 1 usb and the camera used 1, then there was hdmi so the Rift only technically requires 2 usb ports and 1 hdmi, you'll want a third port for the xbox one controller.

Audio I am not really an audiophile by any definition but I was surprised by the built in cans. They go loud and if you think you will be able to hear your friends laughing at you think again, when 'off' you can hear everything but when on and in a demo they seem to block out sound. I don't know what sort of whichcraft was invoked to make that happen but it works very well. The sound quality is far better than expected and they cover a good range. They put my Corsair overhear gaming headset to shame. You will most likely not need to (or be able to afford) a better set of cans that cover such a large range, Voices really come out naturally which is something many speakers or cans don't do well.

Artefacts/issues Alas there are naturally some tradeoffs although not many. I did not notice it much as I have an eye condition where things have lots of glare but I did notice it in some instances, there is quite a bit of what you might describe as glare. White text on a dark background would have a sort of zoom glare around it (think if you've just been crying or have been chopping onions). It's not too distracting and is only noticeable in high contrast scenes.

And that's it, there are no more issues, the headset is better in almost every way! We have a great year coming for VR and if this is the quality of the "first gen" headsets then we have nothing to worry about in terms of quality!

edit: The headsets I've either owned or tried include the Oculus Rift DK1, Oculus Rift HD Prototype, Oculus Rift DK2, HTC Vive (mark 1), Oculus Rift Consumer Beta - Engineering Sample '7' and GearVR (Note 4)

[Aeron]

Natuke liiga hea kuidagi tundub...

[cubedude]

Eks nädala pärast CES-il näeb ja kuuleb. Ma ise usun et siis nad avalikustavad preorderi ja müügile jõudmise aja ning eks ka reporterid saavad käega täitsa katsetada.