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MatchMaker
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liitunud: 23.06.2007
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25.04.2014 13:58:03
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Ukraine FM: Russian troops conducting exercises close to Ukrainian frontier this week came within 1km of border but did not cross - @interfaxua
Russian President Putin: Russia should increase production of anti-missile systems - @ria_novosti via @Reuters
Ukraine will regard any incursion by Russian forces across the border as an invasion and the attackers will be killed -- presidential aide
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sukelduja
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liitunud: 14.06.2007
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25.04.2014 14:38:07
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sigakoer kirjutas: |
Mulle tundub et oma suures parempoolses tarkuses pole siinkirjutajad mainitud artiklit pealkirjast kaugemale lugenudki.
Autor ei kutsu üles ennast Venemaa kätte andma, vaid juhib tähelepanu asjaolule, et Eestil on vaja tugevamat sisemist narratiivi, et seda ära hoida. Lisaks ise juurde et seda eriti eestivenelaste jaoks.
Puust ja punaseks tehes: vaja leida need väärtused, mille ümber rahvas saaks koonduda, et ei korduks sama mis Ukrainas, kus pooled Ukraina väed Vene poole üle läksid, sest Ukraina riik tundus neile suht mõttetu. |
Sellel hetkel, kus autor peaks narratiivi kohta midagi asjalikku ütlema, hakkab ta hoopis mingit natsisaksa teemalist pläma ajama. Tädi on lihtsalt rumal.
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sigakoer
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liitunud: 23.01.2004
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25.04.2014 14:41:29
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Kuna artikkel on tasuline, siis suht loomulik, et paljud seda ei loe, eriti kui tutvustatakse seda suht eestivaenulikuna. |
Fair enough.
Puuduste kättenäitamine pole vaenulikkus, vaid esimene ja hädavajalik samm puuduse kõrvaldamiseks. Et teisitimõtleja on sama mis vaenlane, see on võimuerakondade viljeletud suhtumine, mis võiks Eestis olemata olla.
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liitunud: 15.09.2004
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25.04.2014 14:43:19
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Tädi ei saa sellest aru, et Putin tahab sõda. Asi pole meie venelastes ega ukraina venelastes ega üldse venelastes vaid asi on Putinis. Üheski riigis ei ole venelastega tegelikult probleeme ja meil ka pole venelastega tegelikult mingeid probleeme v.a. Kremli soov sõdida. Ja tahta uskuda Putinit? Selleks peab vist vesipeaga olema.
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liitunud: 01.04.2002
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25.04.2014 14:45:57
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Mida iganes see inimene öelda tahtis, välja tuli nii, et ta saaks tõenäoliselt siin suht kiiresti tänaval peksa. Ja õigustatult. Kirjaoskus peab ikka olemas olema, enne kui hakkad inimesi taolisel emotsionaalsel teemal täiesti haige jamaga vihastama.
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liitunud: 22.08.2007
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26.04.2014 13:36:20
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Mida ukraina majandus üldse teeb ? Püsib pinnal või ulbib põhja ?
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liitunud: 23.04.2003

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26.04.2014 14:05:50
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On Friday, Kerry summed up his recent interactions with his Russian counterpart, “I’ve had 6 conversations with Lavrov in the last few weeks. The last one was Kafka-esque... It was bizarre.” |
niipalju siis dialoogi võimalikkusest.
osce vaatlejate röövimine on muidugi asi iseeneses. kuidas krt on selliseid tegelasi üldse rahvusvahelisel tasemel võimalik tõsiselt võtta?
_________________ - londiste
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liitunud: 04.02.2002
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26.04.2014 15:07:00
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Mida ukraina majandus üldse teeb ? Püsib pinnal või ulbib põhja ? |
Lootusetult uppunud. Praeguste numbrite järgi on riik kahe-kolme nädala pärast maksuvõimetu.
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liitunud: 28.12.2001
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26.04.2014 15:27:58
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Mida ukraina majandus üldse teeb ? Püsib pinnal või ulbib põhja ? |
Lootusetult uppunud. Praeguste numbrite järgi on riik kahe-kolme nädala pärast maksuvõimetu. |
Rasketööstus jäänud.
Kergetööstust viivad ka Ukraina firmad Poolasse.
Riskivabam... Samas kuna asju finantseeritakse väga kõrge % rahaga, siis juurdehindlus arutu.
Ehk jääb mulje, et pigem on Ukraina koht vaesuselt rikastumiseks ja see järel Läände liikumiseks.
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xxlmaster
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liitunud: 26.08.2008
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26.04.2014 15:50:17
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Isegi siin sai märtsi lõpus lätlastele alltöövõttu tehtud (katla põhi, koos soojusvaheti ja 50 tonnise boileri liigutamine hoonesse millel katus peal ja töö tuleb teha kraana abita
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Töö eest lubati maksta kahe nädala pärast, millest on nüüdseks möödas kuu juba. Suurte pealikute käest uurides, selgus, et lätlastel palju katlaid koos sarnaste boileritega ukrainasse ehitatud mille eest raha saamata ja kardetavasti ei saa ka. Ise olen küll pool oma rahast kätte saanud tänaseks ja loodetavasti millalgi jõuab teine pool.
Et jah, mind see kriis juba pika kaarega on mõjutanud.
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p3000
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liitunud: 29.09.2008
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26.04.2014 16:29:50
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keda see vee-teema huvitab ,siis http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27155885
Dnerp-Krimm põllumajandus-vee kanalite süsteem:
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lisaks sõjatööstuse teema:
Putinil on tellimus vähemalt 200-le helikopterile kuni 2016 aastani ja nende mootorid valmistati Ukrainas..
siin on ka kirjas täpsemalt Ukraina sõjatööstuse suhe Venemaaga lk.6 https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/UKRANIANMILITARYDISPOSITIONS_RUSIBRIEFING.pdf
Russia Military Import :
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Military Imports
Of Russia’s total imports, only 4.4 per cent come from Ukraine, but they are
vital for some key elements of Russia’s military establishment. Some 30 per
cent of Ukrainian military exports to Russia are unique and cannot currently
be substituted by Russian production. Russia’s heavy intercontinental
ballistic missiles (the SS-18 ICBMs) are designed and produced by the
Yuzhmash combine in Dnepropetrovsk. SS-18s are regularly checked and
maintained by Yuzhmash specialists. Two other strategic missile systems –
the SS-25 (RT-2PM Topol) and the SS-19 (UR-100 NUTTKh) – are designed and
produced by Russian-based enterprises, but use guidance systems designed
and produced in Ukraine by the Kharkiv-based Khartron Scientific-Industrial
Combine. The SS-18, SS-19 and SS-25 currently make up some 51 per cent of
Russia’s overall strategic nuclear-weapons inventory and over 80 per cent of
that of Russia’s Strategic Rocket Forces specifically. In addition, some 20 per
cent of the natural uranium currently consumed by Russia’s nuclear industry,
both for civilian and military purposes, comes from Zholti Vody in Ukraine.
Since Soviet days, Russia’s ship-building programme has heavily depended on
gas-turbine engines and gears produced in Mykolaiv, Ukraine. While Russian
industry has learned how to build large gas-turbine engines since then, it
cannot yet master manufacturing the gears for them and Russia requires
Ukrainian-produced gears for 60 per cent of the surface combatants planned
for its navy.
The Russian air force is also critically dependent on the Ukrainian defence
industry. Ukrainian enterprises produce the R-27 (the AA-10 Alamo) medium-
range air-to-air missile (AAM), as well as the seekers for the R-73 (AA-11
Archer) short-range AAM – which, between them, represent the majority of
anti-air missiles operated by Russian fighters. Many of the auxiliary systems
– from hydraulics to drogue parachutes – for the Russian Su-27, Su-30 and
Su-35 fighters, as well as for Russia’s newest Su-34, are also produced in
Ukraine. In Zaporizhia, the Motor-Sich plant has a major role in Russian
aviation
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Motor-Sich produces jet engines for a variety of Russian transport
jet aircraft, including the An-124 Ruslan, the largest Russian transport
aircraft, as well as for some combat and training aircraft. The plant also
produces engines for all Russian combat and transport helicopters, as well
as auxiliary power units for all Russian helicopters and many types of combat
and transport aircraft.
Russia has made a vast effort to reduce its dependence upon Motor-Sich
engines, but the evidence is that it cannot produce enough engines to meet
its own demand – to say nothing of an ambitious rearmament programme,
which looks as if it will require at least 3,000 helicopter engines in a two-to-
three year period to equip Russian forces.
Russia’s dependence on Motor-Sich also has the effect of restricting its own
military and aviation exports. For the period 2013–16, Russia has secured
contracts for the delivery of over 260 new helicopters around the world, all
of which are equipped with either main or auxiliary engines supplied by the
Ukrainian company. On 28 March, the state-owned company that controls all
Ukrainian armaments and military-related production – Ukroboronprom –
announced a freeze on all future supplies to Russia. The effects of this freeze
on Russian military production as well as its export potential will certainly be
felt in the medium term, if not immediately.
This military dependence on Ukrainian production could be read in one
of two ways. We might assume that it increases Putin’s incentive to find
a peaceful resolution in his relationship with Ukraine, so that supplies are
not interrupted and Russia has more time to decrease its critical military
dependencies on Ukrainian production. In light of the Crimea takeover, that
dependence will not likely be relieved quickly by the Ukrainians.
Equally, however, it could be argued that since most of the military plants in
question are in south and east Ukraine, the temptation to follow the third
and fourth scenarios will be all the greater. To suggest these scenarios for
the sake of capturing the production at these various plants would be a very
nineteenth-century way of looking at a twenty-first century relationship.
However, even that cannot be ruled out in current circumstances. |
G-7 Leaders Statement on Ukraine
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/04/25/g-7-leaders-statement-ukraine
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We, the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, the United States, the President of the European Council and the President of the European Commission, join in expressing our deep concern at the continued efforts by separatists backed by Russia to destabilize eastern Ukraine and our commitment to taking further steps to ensure a peaceful and stable environment for the May 25 presidential election.
We welcomed the positive steps taken by Ukraine to meet its commitments under the Geneva accord of April 17 by Ukraine, Russia, the European Union, and the United States. These actions include working towards constitutional reform and decentralization, proposing an amnesty law for those who will peacefully leave the buildings they have seized in eastern Ukraine, and supporting the work of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). We also note that the Government of Ukraine has acted with restraint in dealing with the armed bands illegally occupying government buildings and forming illegal checkpoints.
In contrast, Russia has taken no concrete actions in support of the Geneva accord. It has not publicly supported the accord, nor condemned the acts of pro-separatists seeking to destabilize Ukraine, nor called on armed militants to leave peacefully the government buildings they've occupied and put down their arms. Instead, it has continued to escalate tensions by increasingly concerning rhetoric and ongoing threatening military maneuvers on Ukraine's border.
We reiterate our strong condemnation of Russia's illegal attempt to annex Crimea and Sevastopol, which we do not recognize. We will now follow through on the full legal and practical consequences of this illegal annexation, including but not limited to the economic, trade and financial areas.
We have now agreed that we will move swiftly to impose additional sanctions on Russia. Given the urgency of securing the opportunity for a successful and peaceful democratic vote next month in Ukraine's presidential elections, we have committed to act urgently to intensify targeted sanctions and measures to increase the costs of Russia's actions.
Russia's actions in Ukraine and the response from the international community already have imposed significant costs on its economy. While we continue to prepare to move to broader, coordinated sanctions, including sectoral measures should circumstances warrant, as we committed to in The Hague on March 24, we underscore that the door remains open to a diplomatic resolution of this crisis, on the basis of the Geneva accord. We urge Russia to join us in committing to that path. |
Sanctions: How Did We Get Here?
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Press Gaggle by Press Secretary Jay Carney and Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes Aboard Air Force One En Route Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/04/26/press-gaggle-press-secretary-jay-carney-and-deputy-national-security-adv
viimati muutis p3000 26.04.2014 17:07:59, muudetud 7 korda |
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MatchMaker
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liitunud: 23.06.2007
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26.04.2014 17:55:14
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Kremlin showcases new rocket launchers amid invasion fears
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Newt Gingrich on Russian sanctions: 'Putin could cut off the current American military satellite launch program which relies on Russian rockets. No one is thinking this through' - @newtgingrich
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liitunud: 05.11.2001
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26.04.2014 21:14:05
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Mida ukraina majandus üldse teeb ? Püsib pinnal või ulbib põhja ? |
Kui põhja jõuab, alustab kaevamist.
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27.04.2014 02:08:56
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Võibolla oleks kohane küsimus see, et mida näiteks Prantsuse või Suurbritannia majandus sõja ajal või selle eel tegi? Raske oli, aga kui mürsud lendama hakkasid, siis muutusid ka standardid.
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p3000
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27.04.2014 10:15:48
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*Vice President Biden's Call with Prime Minister Viktor Orban of #Hungary
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Readout of the Vice President’s Call with Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary
The Vice President spoke this morning with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban. The Vice President congratulated Hungary on its 15-year anniversary in NATO and noted the United States’ steadfast commitment to the Alliance's collective defense under Article 5. The two leaders discussed the situation in Ukraine and agreed that Russia would face further costs for supporting the actions of armed separatists in Ukraine, in direct contravention of the April 17 Geneva Joint Statement. The Vice President and Prime Minister discussed the need to strengthen the energy security of the Euro-Atlantic community with a more coordinated and strategic approach. The Vice President also reiterated the view that the United States and its partners should be prepared to impose sanctions on individuals and entities operating in certain sectors of the Russian economy if Moscow further intervenes militarily in Ukraine. |
*Vice President Biden’s Call with Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka of the Czech Republic
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Readout of the Vice President’s Call with Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka of the Czech Republic
Vice President Biden spoke this morning with Czech Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka. The Vice President underscored the ironclad commitment of the United States to the collective defense of NATO under Article 5. The two leaders discussed the situation in eastern Ukraine and agreed that the Ukrainian government had taken significant steps to implement the April 17 Geneva Joint Statement by continuing its outreach to citizens in eastern Ukraine on constitutional reform, proposing an amnesty for those protestors who agreed to lay down their arms and vacate occupied buildings, and working closely with the OSCE to promote dialogue with pro-Russian separatists. The leaders also took note of the fact that Russia had thus far failed to fulfill any of the commitments it made in Geneva. The Vice President and the Prime Minister agreed that Russia would face further costs for its destabilizing actions in Ukraine and massing of troops along the Russian-Ukrainian border. The Vice President also stressed that if Moscow further intervened militarily in Ukraine, the United States and its partners should be prepared to impose sanctions on individuals and entities operating in certain sectors of the Russian economy. |
*US 48th Air Expeditionary Group conducting Baltic Air Policing over #Lithuania
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*UN report documents what the Russian government has tried to hide by denying international monitors access to Crimea
http://blogs.state.gov/stories/2014/04/25/crimean-residents-face-russian-style-repression
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Separatistid võtsid kinni 3 "Alfa" liiget ,kes saabusid Kiievist.
Vabastatakse vahetuse korras..
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liitunud: 04.02.2002
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27.04.2014 13:35:08
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Aeg on viia Vene piiri äärde NATO väed. Mis mõttes Venemaa ei luba ilmselgelt iseseisvust tahtval regioonil eralduda?
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kes on "terroristid" ja millised "terroristid" nüüd kotivad keda? Aga vaadates märke su "meelsusest" ja kuhupoole see kaldub, siis hakkas huvitama - üks su vanematest/lähematest sugulastest on vene rahvusest, abikaasa on venelane? Vastasel korral ei näe mingit loogikat "venearmastusele". Ja aimata on, et sa hoiad selle "armastusega" ennast isegi tagasi siin teemas...
Mul on üks naabritest pooleldi vene rahvusest, pooleldi kas tadzik/uzbekk või midagi taolist. Tal siis "eluaegne" väga hea sõber, ukrainlane. Siiamaani on lausa "oma elu hinnaga" teineteist aidanud. Seda siis siiamaani, nüüd on sõprus läbi, kõik, finito! Nädal tagasi läksid pöördumatult riidu, Ukraina/Krimmi teemal loomulikult. Eks ta ole...
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