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HV Guru
liitunud: 01.10.2001
 
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27.03.2012 23:54:50
ACTA kaubanduslepingut ei saadetudki Euroopa Kohtusse, ratifitseerimisprotsess jätkub Euroopa Parlamendis |
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Rootsi aktivisti Rick Falkvinge andmeil pole Euroopa Komisjon vastuolulist ACTA-t saatnudki Euroopa Kohtusse, nagu hiljuti teatati, vaid hoopis soovitakse see kiirelt Euroopa Parlamendis läbi suruda.
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| ACTA alarm: In a surprise move by the European Parliament today, the parliament is NOT waiting for the European Court of Justice, but pressing on for a final deciding vote. This means the ACTA showdown is NOW. |
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| Regardless, ACTA will now be quickly processed in the various committees of the European Parliament, starting with INTA (the International Trade Committee, which owns the issue, and which decided today to not send ACTA to court), and progressing through two or three more committees in April and May, for a final vote in all of Parliament some time in June – possibly, but not definitely, in the June 11-14 timeframe. We have ten weeks in total. |
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liitunud: 23.11.2004
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27.03.2012 23:56:13
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Tundub et Ansipeid on mujalgi kui siin vaid. Ikka vaikselt teki all toimetamine käib ja kes idagi küsima juhtub, siis see on lollpea.
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HV Guru
liitunud: 01.10.2001
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28.03.2012 00:01:52
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After a heated debate in Brussels today, the responsible committee in the European Parliament has decided to not send ACTA to the European Court of Justice, but to press on and make a final decision right away. This means that the final battle of ACTA stands right now, and has finished before the height of midsummer.
After the recent huge Europe-wide protests, which caught the politicians by surprise, the European Commission tried to take back the initiative by saying it would send ACTA to the European Court of Justice. In doing so, the Commission would ask for the court’s opinion on whether the repressive legislation package was compatible with human rights and charters of the European Union. Since this would stall ACTA for a year if not more, the activist corps calmed down: with this move from the Commission, the final showdown would now be at least two years out.
This also appears to have been the intent of the European Commission: to drain the protests of energy, sending the message that the final decision has been postponed by some two years. The European Parliament would have its own opportunity to ask questions of the Court regarding ACTA, making sure that the Court got the right and relevant questions.
But all of a sudden, with the committee’s decision to press for a parliamentary decision rather than following the Commission, ACTA is back on the short track for the deciding vote in the European Parliament – regardless whether or not the Commission sends it to European Court of Justice for evaluation. It should also be noted that the European Commission has not made any formal decision to actually get the court’s decision – saying so may or may not have been a smokescreen. |
Kui see hämamine nüüd tõele vastab, siis on minu usk lisaks Eesti ACTA-t toetavatesse poliitikutusse täielikult kadunud ka Euroopa Komisjoni suhtes.
Ootab ära mingi ametliku kinnituse sellele.
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Lõuapoolik
liitunud: 04.04.2003
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28.03.2012 00:03:33
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Eks siin on 2 vastuolulist asja:
1. Hääletus peab toimuma juba ju suvel. See on ammuilma otsustatud.
2. Kuid Euroopa Kohtu kohta kirjutati, et seal võib protsess aasta aega võtta.
Nii, et pigem see suvise "hääletuse piits" istub kellelgi turjal.
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HV Guru
liitunud: 01.10.2001
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28.03.2012 00:12:19
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European Parliament votes against submitting ACTA for court review
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IN A VOTE TODAY the European Parliament decided not to submit the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) treaty to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) for review. Instead it will rule on ACTA itself.
David Martin, the UK minister that has taken on the rapporteur role for ACTA in the European Parliament, tweeted the news, adding that following some more discussion, we might expect a final decision on the controversial agreement soon. This is good news, since la Quadrature Du Net has suggested that the ECJ's involvement would have delayed ACTA consideration for 18 months. The advocacy group said earlier that the involvement of the ECJ was a delaying tactic that the debate over ACTA could do without
As rapporteur, Martin will now prepare his recommendation on how the European Parliament should vote. He said that this should happen by the end of April, adding that a vote can be expected by June.
He should hope to make a better fist of it than his predecessor. Kader Arif threw his hands up at the dark clouds surrounding ACTA and resigned from the role.
Today the European Parliament voted against referring ACTA to the ECJ by 21 votes against five, meaning that the ACTA debate and decision will carry on as planned. |
Keegi teab sellest David Martinist midagi lähemalt?
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HV Guru
liitunud: 27.01.2005
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28.03.2012 00:19:16
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Enoh... tegelikkuses oligi midagi taolist ju oodata... 
viimati muutis Etz 28.03.2012 00:30:24, muudetud 1 kord |
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HV Guru
liitunud: 01.10.2001
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28.03.2012 00:25:12
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ACTA blogis kirjutab pikemalt:
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Rainer Wieland, Vice President of the European Parliament, has decided not to release the legal service’s opinion on ACTA (letter 14 March 2012, pdf). With this decision he confirms the decision taken earlier by the Secretary General, the FFII then received a blacked out version (picture above). According to the Vice President, the EU is now under certain obligations concerning due and successful ratification of ACTA. Publication of legal opinions would create a serious risk that the ratification procedure launched by the contracting partners of the EU will be jeopardised.
On 19 December 2011 the Legal Affairs Committee coordinators had decided to release the opinion. According to Mr Wieland, the coordinators were not competent to do this.
Mr Wieland:
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| “Moreover, it has to be underlined that the signing of ACTA by the Union in Tokyo on 26 January 2012 entails certain legal obligations for the Union vis-á-vis its contracting partners. Indeed, it follows from international law that once an international agreement has been signed, the contracting parties are by law expected to refrain from any action which would defeat the object and purpose of the agreement (Article 18 of Vienna Convention on the Law of the Treaties). Moreover, the signatories undertake to start the ratification process. Therefore, the Union is now under certain obligations concerning due and successful ratification of ACTA.” |
That seems a somewhat wild statement. Under art 18 VCLT “A State is obliged to refrain from acts which would defeat the object and purpose of a treaty when: (a) it has signed the treaty or has exchanged instruments constituting the treaty subject to ratification, acceptance or approval, until it shall have made its intention clear not to become a party to the treaty; (..)”
Since the Council signed ACTA, the Council can not stimulate counterfeiting, fair enough. But the Council can still decide ACTA is a bad idea and inform the negotiating partners. And the Parliament is fully free to give consent or not. There is no certain obligation concerning “successful ratification”.
In Parliament, there are two forces that want to keep the legal opinion secret: the legal service, which consistently overlooked known issues, and proponents of ACTA, like International Trade Committee Chair Mr Moreira.
Mr Wieland apparently agrees with these two limited interests, while the Parliament has a much bigger interest: ensuring the biggest possible freedom to take decisions. But Mr Wieland rather invents a “certain obligation concerning due and successful ratification of ACTA”. Mr Wieland sacrifices the Parliament’s broader interest for limited interests. He happily incapacitates the Parliament. Mr Wieland’s decision to use article 18 VCLT to keep the legal service’s opinions on ACTA secret is incomprehensible and detrimental for the Parliament.
On 13 March 2012, Legal Affairs Chair Mr Lehne defended the release of the opinion, stating in a letter (pdf) to the Chair of the Conference of Chairs that the Legal Affairs Committee “was merely applying the general rule, which is that there is an obligation to disclose the opinions of the legal service relating to a legislative process”.
Mr Wieland, in his 14 March 2012 letter:
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“As to- your allegation that the coordinators of the Legal Affairs committee had decided to disclose the legal opinion I have to inform you that contrary to your allegations, no decision exists to fully disclose document SJ-661/11 which has been formally adopted by any competent political body of the European Parliament.
Moreover, according to Article 192 of Parliaments Rules of Procedure, the coordinators can only decide in the case of explicit delegation by the Committee. In the absence of such a delegation, they may only adopt recommendations requiring formal ex-post approval which had not taken place in the matter under consideration. Indeed, the adopted minutes of the Legal Affairs Committee meeting of 19-20 December 2011 do not record any decision by delegation on the recommendation to which you refer; neither has any approval ex-post for a coordinators’ recommendation been referred back to the Committee members.” |
But the decision was recorded… in the separate coordinators’ minutes. The secretariat sent these minutes to the Legal Affairs Committee Members. As far as we can know, no Committee Member objected against the decision.
And the next day the Legal Affairs Committee publicly discussed the opinion. Members welcomed the publication, no Member protested. The mood was cheerful, I was told.
It is disheartening to see our 500 million people parliament defend secrecy of legal opinions. As Mr Lehne formulated it in his straightforward letter : they are not sacrosanct. |
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liitunud: 17.02.2006
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28.03.2012 00:26:09
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Ansipi FB see panna? 
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liitunud: 18.11.2005
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28.03.2012 00:26:44
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| As rapporteur, Martin will now prepare his recommendation on how the European Parliament should vote. |
Kõlab täpselt nagu, et see Martin otsutab mis kohus peaks otsutama 
Aga ei- tundub, et võitlus läheb edasi vist nüüd siis.
Peab kinnitust saama kas ongi nii.
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HV Guru
liitunud: 01.10.2001
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HV Guru
liitunud: 05.03.2004
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28.03.2012 01:42:57
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| Jube, kuidas rahva soovidele peale *itutakse...
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liitunud: 23.11.2004
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28.03.2012 02:33:49
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| Ansipi FB see panna? |
Tal vist ei oe. Ja kui olekski, siis sa saaks kuulda alles kui loll it vend sa oled.
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HV Guru
liitunud: 30.11.2001
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28.03.2012 07:19:48
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| Ansipi FB see panna? |
Tal vist ei oe. Ja kui olekski, siis sa saaks kuulda alles kui loll it vend sa oled. |
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liitunud: 19.05.2002
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28.03.2012 08:07:41
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| Lähebki väljas soojemaks ja meeleavaldustele saab rohkem rahvast tulla
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Lõuapoolik
liitunud: 04.04.2003
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28.03.2012 09:35:30
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Internetist on näha igatahes seda väidet, et kavatsetakse kinni pidada juba varem plaanitud n-ö ACTA ajagraafikust (Timetable). Kunagi varem mingis ACTA-teemas sai see ajagraafik ka kirja pandud. Ning vist kusagil juunikuus oli see EP Lõpphääletus.
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Edit: 27-da kuupäevaga teema ja selles on siis ka väheke järgnevast ajakavast juttu:
What next?
According to the previously agreed timetable, at the next committee meeting, on 25-26 Apri,l Mr Martin will present his recommendation as to whether EP should say yes or no to ACTA.
The final International Trade Committee vote is scheduled for 29-30 May, and Parliament as a whole is to vote on the issue at its June plenary session.
Tuesday, March 27, 2012
ACTA: European Parliament's International Trade Committee against referral to Court of Justice
http://www.europarl.ie/view/en/news/pr-2012/ACTA.html
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iceincube
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liitunud: 18.11.2005
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28.03.2012 13:01:53
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| Lähebki väljas soojemaks ja meeleavaldustele saab rohkem rahvast tulla |
Loodame.
Esimese hooga oli vinge- sai edasi lükatud üle euroopa.
Teine kord ka ehk veel.
aga kolmas? Kaua jõuab?
Eks selline jura paras moraali õõnestamine ole minusilmis.
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Lõuapoolik
liitunud: 04.04.2003
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28.03.2012 13:11:17
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iceincube: Kuni juunikuise EP hääletamiseni ongi ainult aega seda "ACTA-rongi kinni hoida". 
Kui EP oma hääletusel sellele "ACTA-rongi väljasõidule rohelise tule annab", siis on see rong ka jäädavalt ikkagi minema kimanud.
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HV Guru
liitunud: 20.07.2004
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28.03.2012 13:32:42
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| acta tuleb nii ehk na. see on arvatavasti juba salaja ära otsustatud ja kinnitatud.
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HV Guru
liitunud: 01.10.2001
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28.03.2012 13:34:14
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http://euobserver.com/871/115725
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Deputies rejected the court proposal by a large majority of 21 to five. Immediately after the vote the centre-left Socialist group and the Greens indicated their intention to reject the treaty.
Bernd Lange, spokesman for the Socialist group on the trade committee, welcomed the result of the vote, saying that he expected the treaty to "probably be buried before the summer."
"Today's decision not to ask for legal advice from the Court of Justice is the first sign that this Parliament is ready to reject Acta. It was a mistake from the beginning to put counterfeiting and Internet content in the same agreement. We cannot support the text as it is."
Meanwhile, Green MEP Amelia Andersdotter commented that the treaty "should never have been concluded in the first place" adding that Acta would "lead to a heavy-handed and repressive enforcement of copyright with no regard to the basic rights of citizens." |
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liitunud: 18.11.2005
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28.03.2012 13:39:58
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| acta tuleb nii ehk na. see on arvatavasti juba salaja ära otsustatud ja kinnitatud. |
Seda, et on juba ära otsutatud teavad ju tegelikult kõik- hetkel käib nn kohustuslik poliitika ja demokraatia näitemäng. Aga kas me peaks sellepärast mitte üritama kaasata rahvast vastasesse tegevusse.
Selline asi annab vaid hoogu kardinate taga otsutajatele, kui me vait oleme.
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punktiir
HV Guru
liitunud: 20.07.2004
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28.03.2012 13:54:07
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| iceincube kirjutas: |
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| acta tuleb nii ehk na. see on arvatavasti juba salaja ära otsustatud ja kinnitatud. |
Seda, et on juba ära otsutatud teavad ju tegelikult kõik- hetkel käib nn kohustuslik poliitika ja demokraatia näitemäng. Aga kas me peaks sellepärast mitte üritama kaasata rahvast vastasesse tegevusse.
Selline asi annab vaid hoogu kardinate taga otsutajatele, kui me vait oleme. |
sa tõesti usud, et inimeste sekkumine ja tahe muudab midagi? ei iial 
Eks selliseid asju surutakse peale aina rohkem ja rohkem. kui saavutataksegi mingi ajutine võit, ei tähenda et see nii jääb. SOPA tuleb ka veel tagasi
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28.03.2012 13:56:35
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sa tõesti usud, et inimeste sekkumine ja tahe muudab midagi? ei iial |
Usun, et piisava sekkumise korral muudab. (kas mitte praegused edasilükkamised ja avalik diskussioon pole samal põhjusel)
Seni kui kõik nii arvavad, et ei muuda- ei muudagi. Hetke passiivsuse puhul pole endalgi usku sellesse- aga ma tean, et siiski kui inimsed koostööd teeks- on võim väga lihtne tagasi võtta. Siiski on tegu käputäie isikutega masside vastu.
On varemgi revolutsioone ning riigipõõrdeid toimunud. See kõik on just toimunud ju inimeste sisesmiest põlemisest.
Aga eks igalühel on oma arvamus ning igaüks võib loobuda enne proovimist
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liitunud: 29.08.2006
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28.03.2012 14:04:29
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"Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
- Winston Churchill
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liitunud: 08.06.2002
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28.03.2012 20:09:46
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| Nojah siis.
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28.03.2012 22:44:50
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sa tõesti usud, et inimeste sekkumine ja tahe muudab midagi? ei iial |
Kahjuks on sellise mõtlemisega inimesi liiga palju ja sellepärast järjest rohkem ajuvaba jama salaja vastu võetaksegi... "midagi nad ju ikka ei tee, kiruvad vaikselt omavahel ja elavad edasi"!
Vastu peab hakkama, vahet pole kas on lootust või mitte aga vaja on sõna siiski maksma panna, et teinekord enne juba järgi mõeldakse, kui hakatakse igasugu jama salaja korraldama.
Kui loteriid ei mängi siis ei võida kunagi, kui mängid, siis on vähemalt võimalus!
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