[Marek Säde]

Ei taha külvata pessimismi aga praegusel ajal on sularahal suht kahtlane väärtus, turud kõiguvad, halb majandus jne. Ükshetk toimub devalveering või mida iganes ning raha, mis sa panka oled korjanud ehk sinu aeg muutub mõtetuks. Asi on naljast kaugel. Mina näiteks mõtlen pingsalt kuidas vara säilitada ning väljavaated on pehmelt öeldes kesised.

[Magic]

devalveerimist krooniga küll ei tule... iseasi teema on hetke seisus raha kasvatamine...aga nohh bigi 9% peale ja asi vask
Eesti tööjõud on tegelikult odav... firmad virisevad viimase aasta, võib-olla 2a suurenenud palgakulude tõttu, mis antud oludes ei ole jätkusuutlikud, samas nafta hind tuli kolinal alla, nii et vähemalt transpordiga seotud kulud on kõvasti vähenenud ja tegelikult logistikas ei tohiks palgad oluliselt väheneda...
Selge on see, et kui nüüd minnakse tagasi selle töötaja nöökimise suhtumise juurde jookseb Eesti ikka varsti laiali - kriis ülemaailme seekord, aga head töötajat jebida ei tasu.

Hetkel arvan, et soodne kütusehind päästab päris palju ja kes asja ei süvene arvab tõesti et elu läheb hoopis paremaks
Kuigi jah...Tartus töötuks võtmise pärast inimesed kaklevad, et kes on ees "Kaaskannataja" sai ~7kuud tagasi, aga kalli koolituse riigi kulul kui töötuks võttis(öeldi, et raha on).
Nüüd, aga öeldakse paljudele, et oled ülekvalifitseeeritud ja ei saa midagi või pakutakse ka elektrikule mingit jaburat ametit

[lehm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0CHi1RXX0&feature=related

hakka või uskuma, et tulevad karmid aastad..

[Sammer]

ostke kulda/hõbedat/plaatinat

[Magic]

[Scart]

[tahanteada]

IMF ennustus järgmiseks aastaks: "IMF: algav aasta võib tulla prognoositust süngem"
http://www.arileht.ee/artikkel/453025

[Scart]

link :: kae siit

Dec. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Japan’s exports plunged the most on record in November as global demand for cars and electronics collapsed, signaling more factory shutdowns and job cuts are likely as the recession deepens.

Exports fell 26.7 percent from a year earlier, the Finance Ministry said today in Tokyo. That was more than the 22.3 percent decline estimated by economists and the sharpest since comparable data were made available in 1980.
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OFFICIAL figures this week will confirm that the UK economy has been sliding into recession for months and could show that the downturn is deeper and started earlier than first thought.

Revised figures for gross domestic product (GDP) in the third quarter are set to show a fall of at least 0.5%. Several analysts believe that subsequent information, particularly on the dire performance of manufacturing, will see a sharper quarterly fall of 0.6%.

Whitehall officials are also braced for a revision of earlier data, which could change the timing of the recession.

Kena jõulu.
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It's something any bank would demand to know before handing out a loan: Where's the money going? But after receiving billions in aid from U.S. taxpayers, the nation's largest banks say they can't track exactly how they're spending the money or they simply refuse to discuss it.

[Tanel]

Karm graafik ikka

[Scart]

Pakuks huupi, et praegusel hetkel on maailma tarbimine kusagil ~78- 80 miljoni barreli peal. OPEC on vähendanud tootmist 4,5 miljonit barrelit võrreldes suvega ja naftat on niipalju, et tootjad rendivad tankereid ujuvateks hoidlateks, sest plöga pole lihtsalt kuhugi füüsiliselt enam panna.

[matrix]

Nafta hind läheneb oma õiglasele tasemele, kes veel mäletab, naftasheigid olid rikkad ka siis, kui barrel maksis $20.

[Scart]

[Tanel]

[Scart]

Ja et üldse täpsemalt seletada, misasi on Ponzi scheme, siis siin on üks päris lõbus artikkel antud teemal.

[Fredu]

[tops]

Putin: 'Cheap gas era' ending
"The geography of natural gas production is changing: active gas fields are being gradually exhausted, while most of the prospective gas resources are lying far from the leading consumption centers. Therefore, costs related with gas exploration, production and transportation inevitably rise," Putin said, in quotes carried by Russia's Interfax news agency.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/12/23/russia.putin.gas/index.html

[tahanteada]

tops: Vahest võiks ka kodumaise meedia poole pöörduda, kus kõik seesama on kodumaises keeles kättesaadav.
"Putin: odava maagaasi ajajärk saab läbi"
http://www.postimees.ee/?id=61932

[Deadlock]

Pemex Oil Production Drops 6.5% on Cantarell Field

Dec. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Petroleos Mexicanos, the state-owned oil company, said crude oil output fell 6.5 percent in November from the year-earlier period as production at its Cantarell field declined at a faster-than-expected rate.

Cantarell’s output fell 33 percent, more than twice as fast as government estimates, to 862,060 barrels a day from a year earlier. Declining pressure at Cantarell has made it more expensive and harder to continue pumping oil from the offshore deposit.
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"Elav" näide peak oil'ist ja sellest, et toodangu vähenemist prognoositakse liialt optimistlikult.

[Scart]

link :: kae siit

Dec. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Japan should write-off its holdings of Treasuries because the U.S. government will struggle to finance increasing debt levels needed to dig the economy out of recession, said Akio Mikuni, president of credit ratings agency Mikuni & Co.

The dollar may lose as much as 40 percent of its value to 50 yen or 60 yen from the current spot rate of 90.40 today in Tokyo unless Japan takes “drastic measures” to help bail out the U.S. economy, Mikuni said. Treasury yields, which are near record lows, may fall further without debt relief, making it difficult for the U.S. to borrow elsewhere, Mikuni said.

“It’s difficult for the U.S. to borrow its way out of this problem,” Mikuni, 69, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television broadcast today. “Japan can help by extending debt cancellations.”

Esimesena uksest välja saanu võidab.
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The Great Depression has reached Detroit. The average price of a home is now $18,513 and unemployment has reached 21%, and it’s expected to get worse. Detroit is facing a crisis of epic proportions that officially puts Detroit statistically (and real term) on par with the great depression.

Many readers of Tribble Ad Agency are advertising centric.. and due to the rash of layoffs within all Detroit Advertising firms has put the city on the map for the wrong reasons.

It has become the center of all that is wrong with America… and nothing of what is right.

For example, the crime rate has fallen…. because of lack of targets within the city. Meaning there is nothing left to steal. In fact, even the criminals don’t want to leave jail.

Heard confirmed that some offenders, notably those without homes of their own, were now expressing reluctance to leave jail when their sentences were done.

Home values have plummeted to levels not seen in 1/2 a century… and the 21% unemployment has in some cases been projected to double within 12 months if the auto industry totally collapses.
To make matters even worse, Detroit has superseded New Orleans as the “worst city” in America…. but New Orleans had a Hurricane they could assign blame to… Detroit has no such natural disaster crutch.

“It’s a depression — not a recession,” McDuell said, with the authority of someone who has lived through both. “It will get worse before it gets better.”
It’s a man-made disaster.

Regarding a local food bank in Detroit that has seen record numbers of individuals entering the system:
“Many people are first-timers — they have no idea how to navigate the system, how to qualify for food stamps,” Wells said. “Last year, some were donors — now they’re clients.”

In short, last year they donated money into the system… now they are feeding from it because they themselves are in hard financial times.

Detroit needs a miracle, the chances of it showing a resurgence is slim to none in the current economic outlook.

Ma kuulsin, et AIG vajab veel 20 miljardit. Eks saavad kah, ikkagi AIG ju.

[laurx]

eesti meediast jõuluõhtul:
http://www.postimees.ee/?id=62069 Nafta hind vajub edasi
http://www.postimees.ee/?id=62085 Vene võimud ei välista majanduskriisi paisumist rahutusteks
http://www.postimees.ee/?id=62076 Serbia naftamonopol läks Gazpromi kontrolli alla

kahtlaselt palju huvitavat lugemist suures meedias jõulupühade ajal.

[londiste]

Scart, detroidi jutu juures võiks siiski ära mainida, et tegemist on suure tööstus- ja piirilinnaga ning nimetatud probleemid ei ole hetkel seotud majanduskriisiga. lisaks siis eeslinnade jutt koos algul white, siis black flightiga.

kui autofirmad põhja lähevad, siis on detroidiga muidugi veelgi rohkem tuksis.

laurx, mis neis uudistes nii eriti huvitavat on? naftahind põrkab mõne dollari võrra siia-sinna ja ülepäeviti treitakse uudiseid liikumise kohta, majanduskriis on rahutusi otseselt või kaudselt juba siin-seal põhjustanud ja serbia naftamonopoli müümine oli ammu selge.

[laurx]

see, et seda nii palju meie meedias näha on.

[Scart]

[Magic]

vaevalt...pigem 2012-2015
ära seda kõige mustemat ja seisu võta... väljal ka muud tehnilised probleemid peale selle, et kergelt kätte saadav nafta hakkab lõppema.
Selge on muidugi see, et välja tootlikus tuleb kolinal alla.... samas tarbimine riilikul tasandil tõuseb suht aeglaselt.
Samas pikemas plaanis on sul ju õigus - ~0,3% kogutoodangust teadusele kulutav riik ei saa olla väga jätkusuutlik.

[Scart]