Vale viisaga olid, ESTA ja B1-ga mis keelab töötamise. Aga eks see on suur kahvel, kui Trump kutsub kõigi USA-sse investeerima samas viisa reegleid järgitakse nüüd karmilt. Ja samas tahetakse, et kohalikku palgatakse (kuigi kohalike seast ei pruugi õiget skilli leida).
Tundub et pigem nagu ikkagi olid. Ilmselt kui on äriliselt mugav, siis ei peaks seadusi järgima. Peaasi et ehitus seisma ei jää. Tühja kah neist tööohutustingimustest ja muudest reeglitest.
Tehase ehitus seisab. Korea insenerid ootavad lennukit et koju minna.
Nii palju võitmist!
Aga kas arreteeritud olid siis või ei olnud illegaalid?
anubis on ju ammune illegaalse immigratsiooni pooldaja. Vahet pole, kas Eesti, Saksamaa või USA. Alati EKRE, natsid ja republikaanid eesotsas Trumpiga süüdi.
LG Energy Solution, which operates the plant with Hyundai, says many of the LG employees arrested were on business trips with various visas or under a visa waiver programme.
The company has said it is suspending most business trips to the US and directing employees on assignment in the US to return home immediately.
A search warrant filed Tuesday in the Southern District of Georgia identified four people specifically to be searched, but authorities arrived with substantial personnel and equipment, suggesting an intention to conduct a broader sweep.
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Mexico’s consulate in Atlanta said 23 of the workers arrested are Mexican, and representatives met with some of those workers at the Folkston immigration detention center more than 100 miles south of where the raid took place.
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Being undocumented in the United States, whether by crossing the border without authorization or overstaying a visa, is typically considered a civil violation rather than a criminal offense. Employers across the US rely on the federal E-Verify system, launched more than 20 years ago, to check the legal work eligibility of new hires. However, officials in the Trump administration criticized the system for being unreliable, without putting forward a more effective alternative.
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Georgia immigration attorney Charles Kuck told CNN two of his clients were detained at the raid after having arrived from South Korea under a visa waiver program which allows them to travel for tourism or business for up to 90 days.
One client arrived in the US last week, and the other arrived several weeks ago, he said.
“They were authorized to work in the US under a visa waiver,” Kuck said. “Each was pursuing activities consistent with the visa waiver program.”
The clients, both engineers, came to the US “to advise briefly on the work” and were planning to return to South Korea shortly, according to Kuck.
“This trip was actually part of their assigned duties abroad,” Kuck said.
Ma ei näe ühtegi põhjust miks keegi peaks salaja Lõuna-Koreast USAsse tehase ehitusele tööle minema. Küll aga olid seal erinevate viisadega konsultandid kes tegelesid seadistamise ja väljaõppega.
ICE läks püüdma NELJA illegaali, kes kõige tõenäolisemalt olid mingid alltöövõtja alltöövõtjad mõne USA ehitusfirma kaudu.
Kuna ICE saab iga "illegaali" pealt pappi siis kõik kes ei ole kodanikud lähevad töötlusesse. Kodanikud samamoodi lähevad, kuna tegemist on hakklihamasinaga.
viimati muutis anubis 08.09.2025 11:56:08, muudetud 1 kord
The man said he was "shocked but not surprised" by the immigration operation. He said the vast majority of the workers detained were mechanics installing production lines at the site, and were employed by a contractor.
Ja neil olid valed viisad. Aga eks seda viisa süsteemi tuleks vajadusel ümber teha kui tekib probleemiks. Hyundai juba teavitas, et korrastab oma töötajate viisasid et USA seadustega kooskõlla viia.
The man said he was "shocked but not surprised" by the immigration operation. He said the vast majority of the workers detained were mechanics installing production lines at the site, and were employed by a contractor.
Ja neil olid valed viisad. Aga eks seda viisa süsteemi tuleks vajadusel ümber teha kui tekib probleemiks. Hyundai juba teavitas, et korrastab oma töötajate viisasid et USA seadustega kooskõlla viia.
Mulle on jäänud silma väited, et see bürokraatlik teema viisade ümber on igivana, lihtsalt varem on süsteemi muutmise asemel silm kinni pigistatud, sest investeeringutele pole mõtet kaikaid kodaratesse loopida. Kahtlen muidugi, et praegugi midagi ses osas muutub, et tööviisade saamine lihtsamaks läheks.
Ülaltoodud artikliski on mainitud, et:
tsitaat:
The man said the time and administrative hurdles involved in obtaining US visas had encouraged foreign companies to cut corners in order to finish projects on time, but they might now need to reassess.
"I mean, after this happened, many companies will think again about investing in the United States because setting up a new project might take so much longer than before," he said, adding that many of those who were detained were specialists and finding local workers to replace them would not be easy.
Mis kambaga seda nelja otsima mindi et nii palju rohkem kinni saadi? Mingid tüübid olid kusklit kanalka kaudu vehkat teinud aga isegi need saadi kätte. Paistab ikka suurema plaani moodi. _________________ Ma ei saa sellest aru, järelikult on see vale.
The man said he was "shocked but not surprised" by the immigration operation. He said the vast majority of the workers detained were mechanics installing production lines at the site, and were employed by a contractor.
Ja neil olid valed viisad. Aga eks seda viisa süsteemi tuleks vajadusel ümber teha kui tekib probleemiks. Hyundai juba teavitas, et korrastab oma töötajate viisasid et USA seadustega kooskõlla viia.
Mulle on jäänud silma väited, et see bürokraatlik teema viisade ümber on igivana, lihtsalt varem on süsteemi muutmise asemel silm kinni pigistatud, sest investeeringutele pole mõtet kaikaid kodaratesse loopida. Kahtlen muidugi, et praegugi midagi ses osas muutub, et tööviisade saamine lihtsamaks läheks.
Ülaltoodud artikliski on mainitud, et:
tsitaat:
The man said the time and administrative hurdles involved in obtaining US visas had encouraged foreign companies to cut corners in order to finish projects on time, but they might now need to reassess.
"I mean, after this happened, many companies will think again about investing in the United States because setting up a new project might take so much longer than before," he said, adding that many of those who were detained were specialists and finding local workers to replace them would not be easy.
tsitaat:
Being undocumented in the United States, whether by crossing the border without authorization or overstaying a visa, is typically considered a civil violation rather than a criminal offense. Employers across the US rely on the federal E-Verify system, launched more than 20 years ago, to check the legal work eligibility of new hires. However, officials in the Trump administration criticized the system for being unreliable, without putting forward a more effective alternative.
tsitaat:
Georgia immigration attorney Charles Kuck told CNN two of his clients were detained at the raid after having arrived from South Korea under a visa waiver program which allows them to travel for tourism or business for up to 90 days.
One client arrived in the US last week, and the other arrived several weeks ago, he said.
“They were authorized to work in the US under a visa waiver,” Kuck said. “Each was pursuing activities consistent with the visa waiver program.”
The clients, both engineers, came to the US “to advise briefly on the work” and were planning to return to South Korea shortly, according to Kuck.
“This trip was actually part of their assigned duties abroad,” Kuck said.
Sa võid kõik täiesti õigesti teha, kuid kui süsteemi lammutatakse ilma uut süsteemi ehitamata siis põhjuse leiab alati.
Vale viisa? See on väga kõva statement. Ma julgen väita, et kui keegi eestlasest tarkvaraarendaja läheb USAsse tööreisile ja arvuti lahti teeb seal siis võiks ta riigist välja saata samal põhjusel.
Georgia immigration attorney Charles Kuck told CNN two of his clients were detained at the raid after having arrived from South Korea under a visa waiver program which allows them to travel for tourism or business for up to 90 days.
One client arrived in the US last week, and the other arrived several weeks ago, he said.
“They were authorized to work in the US under a visa waiver,” Kuck said. “Each was pursuing activities consistent with the visa waiver program.”
The clients, both engineers, came to the US “to advise briefly on the work” and were planning to return to South Korea shortly, according to Kuck.
“This trip was actually part of their assigned duties abroad,” Kuck said.
Visa waiver ei luba ega ei ole kunagi lubanud töötada (work), on lubatud äri ajada (business). Ka koolitamine/õpetamine on teatud juhtudel work. Kommentaarid on konkreetselt, et lubati töötada (authorized to work) mis aga ei ole kindlasti lubatud visa waiver programmi alusel.
The man said he was "shocked but not surprised" by the immigration operation. He said the vast majority of the workers detained were mechanics installing production lines at the site, and were employed by a contractor.
See ei ole business programmi tingimuste kohaselt, see on work. Sama mis B-1 viisa:
tsitaat:
Allows non-resident aliens to enter the U.S. for business-related activities, such as attending meetings or conferences, but prohibits engaging in work that generates U.S. source income (such as direct employment or active participation in business operations). It’s important to note that “business meetings” refer to passive attendance and networking. They do not include affirmative actions in furtherance of the business or business activities, such as direct involvement in projects, making sales, or training people.
Ehk, et väga konkreetselt - kui töömees tuleb kohale, et midagi paigaldada on see töötamine, mitte äri ajamine, ei tohi isegi koolitusi läbi viia. Jah, viimase 10-15a jooksul on sellele väga läbi sõrmede vaadata (eriti softiarenduse valdkonnas) aga must-valgelt ja paberil on vaja selleks, sõltuvalt rollist kas H-1B, H-2B või L viisat.
Ositi on läbi sõrmede vaadatud kuna reaalselt on see räme bürokraatia, et kõiki neid viisasid taotleda nädalaseks reisiks jms aga puhtalt paberil on seadused ja nõuded sellised nagu nad on.
MatchMaker ta ei tundu just kõige teravam pliiats olevat _________________ Alati teadke, et kuulujutte mõtlevad välja vihkajad, levitavad lollid, aga usuvad idioodid.
Prantsusmaa valitsus kukkus esmaspäeval usaldushääletuse järel kokku, mis süvendab riigis poliitilist kriisi. Lähiajal toimub Prantsusmaal veel mitu suurt meeleavaldust.
Need kartelli tegelased pole mingid tsiviilid. Need "tsiviilid" on tihti parema relvastusega kui näiteks meie jalavägi
Vance ei ütle tegelikult midagi valesti. Nende tüüpidega diplomaatia pole võimalik.
Need kartelli tegelased pole mingid tsiviilid. Need "tsiviilid" on tihti parema relvastusega kui näiteks meie jalavägi
Vance ei ütle tegelikult midagi valesti. Nende tüüpidega diplomaatia pole võimalik.
Rahvusvahelistes vetes lasti mingi paat õhku, rohkem infot või tõendeid pole minu teada antud.
Hetkel tundub kõik pigem "just take my word for it, bro"
Um, what I will say with respect to Venezuela, um, President Trump has been very clear and consistent. He's prepared to use every element of American power to stop drugs from flooding into our country and to bring those responsible uh, to justice. The Maduro regime is not the legitimate government of Venezuela. It is a narco terror cartel. In Maduro, it is the view of this administration is not a legitimate president. He is a fugitive head of this cartel who has been indicted in the United States for trafficking drugs into the country.
viimati muutis SKG 08.09.2025 23:10:48, muudetud 1 kord
Norra.
Tööpartei eesotsas Jonas Gahr Størega on võitmas valimisi.
Jonas Gahr Støre saab peaministri residentsis valitseda veel neli aastat.
Ta on suur Ukraina toetaja.
Terve see Trumpi kabinet on ebaprofessionaalne ja ebakompetentne. Nii vastabki asepresident kriitikale.
Sarnane kõnepruuk ongi nüüd aktsepteeritud kõigi poliitikute puhul. Meie oma haridusminister (sic!) ütleb, et "meil on raha s*taks" - täiesti normaalne ja keegi ei köhi.
Terve see Trumpi kabinet on ebaprofessionaalne ja ebakompetentne. Nii vastabki asepresident kriitikale.
Sarnane kõnepruuk ongi nüüd aktsepteeritud kõigi poliitikute puhul. Meie oma haridusminister (sic!) ütleb, et "meil on raha s*taks" - täiesti normaalne ja keegi ei köhi.
Mida võrdlus Võrdleme siin nagu siga ja kägu ...
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Trump jääb lõpuni eitama seda, ükskõik kui palju tõendeid, vihjeid, tunnistusi tuleb ja tema valijad/pooldavad usuvad Trumpi edasi. _________________ Alati teadke, et kuulujutte mõtlevad välja vihkajad, levitavad lollid, aga usuvad idioodid.
Trump administration ends Biden-era anti-disinformation pact with European allies
The Trump administration has pulled the US out of agreements with 22 EU and African countries designed to combat disinformation from Russia, China and Iran
U.S. President Donald Trump does not believe Russia should be cut off from the global economy beyond the context of its war against Ukraine, Vice President JD Vance said in an interview with One America News Network published on Sept. 10.
tsitaat:
U.S. Vice President stated that the Russians want to gain around 6,000 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory that they have not seized by force, while Ukrainians seek security guarantees.
Also, according to Vance, Trump aims to end the war by applying pressure on both Russia and Ukraine.
Hungary has signed a 10-year gas supply agreement with Shell, taking one of the first steps towards diversification and reducing dependence on Russian supplies.
According to Foreign Minister Szijjártó, supplies will reach Hungary via Czech and German gas pipelines starting in 2026.
The EU plans to completely stop importing Russian gas by the end of 2027.
Ta kritiseerib teravalt ka Valge Maja personali, kes väidetavalt teda Bideni asetäitjana ei toetanud ja mõnikord lausa aktiivselt takistas.
«»See on Joe ja Jilli otsus.« Me kõik kordasime seda nagu mantrat, justkui olnuksime kõik hüpnotiseeritud. Oli see lugupidamine või hoolimatus? Tagantjärele arvan, et see oli hoolimatus,» ütleb Harris esimeses katkendis oma raamatust «107 päeva», mille avaldas ajakiri The Atlantic.
«Kaalul oli lihtsalt liiga palju. See ei olnud valik, mida oleks tohtinud jätta ühe isiku ego ja ambitsioonide hooleks. See oleks pidanud olema midagi enamat kui isiklik otsus.»
Eks tagantjärgi alati memuaarides ja raamatutes üritatakse "tegelikku olukorda" kirjeldada, aga see oli ammu selge, et Jill oli abielus võimu mitte Joe'ga Mitte, et Harris oleks ka võitnud Trumpi vastu siis, kui kohe alguses oleks saanud valmistama hakata. Tegemist oli ja on siiani oma parteis äärmiselt ebapopulaarse tegelasega.
The man said he was "shocked but not surprised" by the immigration operation. He said the vast majority of the workers detained were mechanics installing production lines at the site, and were employed by a contractor.
Ja neil olid valed viisad. Aga eks seda viisa süsteemi tuleks vajadusel ümber teha kui tekib probleemiks. Hyundai juba teavitas, et korrastab oma töötajate viisasid et USA seadustega kooskõlla viia.
Mulle on jäänud silma väited, et see bürokraatlik teema viisade ümber on igivana, lihtsalt varem on süsteemi muutmise asemel silm kinni pigistatud, sest investeeringutele pole mõtet kaikaid kodaratesse loopida. Kahtlen muidugi, et praegugi midagi ses osas muutub, et tööviisade saamine lihtsamaks läheks.
Ülaltoodud artikliski on mainitud, et:
tsitaat:
The man said the time and administrative hurdles involved in obtaining US visas had encouraged foreign companies to cut corners in order to finish projects on time, but they might now need to reassess.
"I mean, after this happened, many companies will think again about investing in the United States because setting up a new project might take so much longer than before," he said, adding that many of those who were detained were specialists and finding local workers to replace them would not be easy.
tsitaat:
Being undocumented in the United States, whether by crossing the border without authorization or overstaying a visa, is typically considered a civil violation rather than a criminal offense. Employers across the US rely on the federal E-Verify system, launched more than 20 years ago, to check the legal work eligibility of new hires. However, officials in the Trump administration criticized the system for being unreliable, without putting forward a more effective alternative.
tsitaat:
Georgia immigration attorney Charles Kuck told CNN two of his clients were detained at the raid after having arrived from South Korea under a visa waiver program which allows them to travel for tourism or business for up to 90 days.
One client arrived in the US last week, and the other arrived several weeks ago, he said.
“They were authorized to work in the US under a visa waiver,” Kuck said. “Each was pursuing activities consistent with the visa waiver program.”
The clients, both engineers, came to the US “to advise briefly on the work” and were planning to return to South Korea shortly, according to Kuck.
“This trip was actually part of their assigned duties abroad,” Kuck said.
Sa võid kõik täiesti õigesti teha, kuid kui süsteemi lammutatakse ilma uut süsteemi ehitamata siis põhjuse leiab alati.
Vale viisa? See on väga kõva statement. Ma julgen väita, et kui keegi eestlasest tarkvaraarendaja läheb USAsse tööreisile ja arvuti lahti teeb seal siis võiks ta riigist välja saata samal põhjusel.
At least one of the Korean workers swept up in a huge immigration raid on a Hyundai Motor factory site in Georgia last week was living and working legally in the US, according to an internal federal government document obtained by the Guardian.
Officials then “mandated” that he agree to be removed from the US despite not having violated his visa.
The man said he was "shocked but not surprised" by the immigration operation. He said the vast majority of the workers detained were mechanics installing production lines at the site, and were employed by a contractor.
Ja neil olid valed viisad. Aga eks seda viisa süsteemi tuleks vajadusel ümber teha kui tekib probleemiks. Hyundai juba teavitas, et korrastab oma töötajate viisasid et USA seadustega kooskõlla viia.
Mulle on jäänud silma väited, et see bürokraatlik teema viisade ümber on igivana, lihtsalt varem on süsteemi muutmise asemel silm kinni pigistatud, sest investeeringutele pole mõtet kaikaid kodaratesse loopida. Kahtlen muidugi, et praegugi midagi ses osas muutub, et tööviisade saamine lihtsamaks läheks.
Ülaltoodud artikliski on mainitud, et:
tsitaat:
The man said the time and administrative hurdles involved in obtaining US visas had encouraged foreign companies to cut corners in order to finish projects on time, but they might now need to reassess.
"I mean, after this happened, many companies will think again about investing in the United States because setting up a new project might take so much longer than before," he said, adding that many of those who were detained were specialists and finding local workers to replace them would not be easy.
tsitaat:
Being undocumented in the United States, whether by crossing the border without authorization or overstaying a visa, is typically considered a civil violation rather than a criminal offense. Employers across the US rely on the federal E-Verify system, launched more than 20 years ago, to check the legal work eligibility of new hires. However, officials in the Trump administration criticized the system for being unreliable, without putting forward a more effective alternative.
tsitaat:
Georgia immigration attorney Charles Kuck told CNN two of his clients were detained at the raid after having arrived from South Korea under a visa waiver program which allows them to travel for tourism or business for up to 90 days.
One client arrived in the US last week, and the other arrived several weeks ago, he said.
“They were authorized to work in the US under a visa waiver,” Kuck said. “Each was pursuing activities consistent with the visa waiver program.”
The clients, both engineers, came to the US “to advise briefly on the work” and were planning to return to South Korea shortly, according to Kuck.
“This trip was actually part of their assigned duties abroad,” Kuck said.
Sa võid kõik täiesti õigesti teha, kuid kui süsteemi lammutatakse ilma uut süsteemi ehitamata siis põhjuse leiab alati.
Vale viisa? See on väga kõva statement. Ma julgen väita, et kui keegi eestlasest tarkvaraarendaja läheb USAsse tööreisile ja arvuti lahti teeb seal siis võiks ta riigist välja saata samal põhjusel.
At least one of the Korean workers swept up in a huge immigration raid on a Hyundai Motor factory site in Georgia last week was living and working legally in the US, according to an internal federal government document obtained by the Guardian.
Officials then “mandated” that he agree to be removed from the US despite not having violated his visa.
Natsid.
EAD (Employment Authorization Document) ei anna alust piiramatult riigis viibimiseks. On eraldi immigratsiooni ja töötamise load/staatused. Immigratsiooni staatus/seis võib muutuda näiteks kui ollakse kahtlustatav kuritöös (sh. kuritööle kaasaaitamisele), muutub midagi mis on viisa aluseks (haridustase, koduriigis midagi jne) ning lõppkokkuvõttes on viimane sõna USCIS-il.
Kirsina tordil - ICE omab õigust teha otsus kas isik on ohtlik avalikule korrale ja kui on siis on neil seaduslik õigus isik riigist välja saata. Küll aga sellisel juhul peab ICE läbima kohtuprotseduurid, niisama riigist välja saata ei saa ja sellisel juhul annab asju juba vaidlustada...
Artikkel ei anna kahjuks detailset ülevaadet konkreetse juhtumi kohta...
The incident has thrown Korea’s flagship investment projects in the US into disarray.
Sources said at least 22 other factory sites involving Korean business groups, in autos, shipbuilding, steel and electrical equipment, have been nearly halted.
Korean conglomerates, including semiconductor giants Samsung Electronics Co. and SK Hynix Inc., are heavily investing in US chip facilities, while Samsung SDI Co. and SK On Co. are building battery plants with their partners GM and Ford, respectively. Several of these sites rely on rotating teams of Korean engineers.
Korean companies with US interests have frozen travel plans and recalled staff already in the US over fears of further raids.
With H-1B and L-1 work visas, which are harder to obtain, in short supply, Korean firms have routinely rotated engineers through 90-day ESTA entries or short-term B-1 visas to meet tight construction schedules.
Industry officials in Seoul warn that unless visa arrangements for skilled Korean employees are settled through bilateral talks, investment timetables worth more than 140 trillion won ($101 billion) across multiple US states will face serious delays and cost overruns.
Võib eeldada, et vahevalimised ja ka järgmised peale seda on nüüd ilmselt otsustatud ....
See ei ole esimene ja ei jää ka viimaseks selliseks tulistamises USA's. Kõik valimised pikas perspektiivis on USA's otsustanud ja seda mitte ainult selle juhtumi pärast. _________________ Alati teadke, et kuulujutte mõtlevad välja vihkajad, levitavad lollid, aga usuvad idioodid.
sa ei või postitada uusi teemasid siia foorumisse sa ei või vastata selle foorumi teemadele sa ei või muuta oma postitusi selles foorumis sa ei või kustutada oma postitusi selles foorumis sa ei või vastata küsitlustele selles foorumis sa ei saa lisada manuseid selles foorumis sa võid manuseid alla laadida selles foorumis
Hinnavaatlus ei vastuta foorumis tehtud postituste eest.
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Mitte, et Harris oleks ka võitnud Trumpi vastu siis, kui kohe alguses oleks saanud valmistama hakata. Tegemist oli ja on siiani oma parteis äärmiselt ebapopulaarse tegelasega.