[lopes39]

Minu kasutamise juures ma ei näe motet 2 plastik julla ja 15cm juhtme eest maksta rohkem kui see 7 euro mis need maksavad.
Pealegi ei ole ma ka mingi audiofiil.

[olavsu1]

noh, eks igaüks pea ise oma kooliraha maksma...

[Aeron]

https://aiaiai.dk/configurator
keegi siit on midagi ostnud?

[CoiL]

Äkki pakub kellelegi huvi, suured üle-kõrva klapid, BOSSHIFI B8 : http://www.ebay.com/itm/282360560731?rmvSB=true

[pots4t4j4]

Põrsas kotis?

[Lotharius]

Kellelgi Sony MDR-1000X kogemusi on?

[libe]

[CoiL]

[flameas]

Little Dot 1+ hybrid-tubeamp testis. So far so good

[CnZ]

[Slazenger]

Lotharius, mine Rocca al Mare Sony poodi, saad seal kohapeal proovida. Ise valisin nende ja Bose Qc35 vahel ja otsustasin Bose kasuks, sest helikvaliteedi jaoks on mul Sennheiseri HD650-d. Kui tahad mürasummutust, siis Bose on (veel) parem valik; kui otsid ka keskmisest paremat heli ja mürasummutus on teisejärguline, siis vötaks Sonyd. Mina valisin Bose-d peamiselt selle pärast, et nad on kergemad ja aku oli vist parem. Kui väga pikka aega kannad neid klappe, siis see kaaluvahe on tuntav. Helikvaliteet Sonyl on parem, noise cancellation on Bose-l ikkagi parem, seda siis kui kasutad lendamiseks ja mürarikastes kohtades. Sonydel, vähemalt sellel isendil, mis ma testisin, oli absoluutses vaikuses ikkagi väike körgetooniline pinin sees, minu Bose-del seda önneks pole. Vahest kasutan raamatukogus neid vaikselt muusika kuulamiseks või konditsioneeri müra blokeerimiseks, siis on väga tähtis, et poleks mingeid pininaid. Muidugi pärast, kui vötad klapid peast ära, siis alguses konditsioneeri müra tundub nagu oleksid kuskil tuuleturbiinis.

[Siim159]

Hetkel siis uute klappidena sõelale jäänud BK50.
Kus kõige kiiremini seda tellida annaks? Aliexpressist ma eeldan minimaalselt 2 nädalat, halvemal juhul ka võib kuukene minna. Äkki kuskil Euroopas ka mõni usaldusväärne koht?

[bjaka]

Ei tea kas helikvaliteedilt samad kui need: http://earphonia.com/earphones-iems-ciems/jvc-ha-fw01-new-flagship-beautiful-wood-dome-earphones/

[Lotharius]

[CoiL]

[villu70]

Spoiler

[Matti]

Ostsin endale säästu in-earid Soundmagic ES18.
Koostekvaliteet on alla igasugust arvestust.

Heli on lootustandev, aga mitte ühegi kaasas olnud otsaga ei saavutanud ideaalset tulemust.
Tahtsin oma vanade mugavate Sennude otstega proovida, aga ES18-l imelikud õhukese servaga otsad ja ükski kodus leidunud kummilutt sinna ei istunud.
Kas keegi oskab midagi asemele soovitada?

Spoiler

[olavsu1]

masstootmises In-earidega polegi ideaalne tulemus võimalik, on võimalik vaid ideaalile läheneda. Sest iga inimesel on kuulmekanali kuju isemoodi. Seetõttu tuleks in-ear kõrvaklapid valmistada individuaalselt kuulmiskeskuses võetud jäljendite järgi, nagu Ultimate Ears.

Mõned on siin lasknud suvalistele hiinakatele custom korpused teha ja on saanud asja.

[Matti]

Internetiavarustest jäi silma, et paljudele meelepärane combo on ES18+T400 memoryvahust otsad.

Tellisin Aliexpressist komplekti, ainult 26-41 päeva ootamist.

[CoiL]

[Aeron]

Keegi neid on proovinud?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nura/nura-headphones-that-learn-and-adapt-to-your-uniqu

Spoiler

OK. Here goes

There are 3 co-founders : a business guy, an electrical engineering PhD, and an ear surgeon / hearing science PhD with some firmware expertise. So I think in a way, the research and engineering was already built up over their respective lifetimes. They're of the start-up generation, and definitely can see a lot of careful thought has gone into this product at every step.

The concept alone is a pretty big departure from conventional headphones, and could be game-changing, honestly. The first time you plug your phones in, you run the app to get your profile. This process takes about a minute, and is comfortable. It works by sending a variety of frequencies into your ear. These tones are absorbed down into your brain, which generates its own signals in response, which the headphones listen out for. The more scientific components of this part elude me, but that's the jist. Your brain hears the frequencies and based on details specific to you, sends out its own signals.

Within 60 seconds, the technology has figured out your personalised frequency response profile. And your profile stays with the cans from then on. Just one scan when you first get the cans and you're all good. Yes, you can load and store more than one profile. The profiles are, I believe, stored in the headphones themselves- rather than in the accompanying software. So you can plug and play anywhere.

This does require power though, so the headphones run off a lightning/usb cable- not 3.5mm jack. Potentially controversial, I guess. But hey, this is the new school. Not going to be a dealbreaker for me.

I tried listening to some others' profiles, and none of theirs sounded as good as mine. Amazingly, everybody at the product demo said this - they liked their own profile the best. I guess this is the most compelling evidence that the tech works.

Other people's profiles mostly sounded as though they had been oddly filtered at various parts of the frequency spectrum, a bit noisy, and occasionally less wide in the stereo image. My profile, though, came through clear, deep and rich across the range. Tried a few A/B's with my Sony MDR 7506's and some Bose Quietcomfort 25's. Again, the results were deeper, richer and clearer on the Nuras, and the soundstage put the conventional headphones to shame. BIG stereo field. It was easier to pick out some of the instruments, even than on the MDR's.

There is also a bass function they are calling 'Kick it' which delivers huge, skull-shaking bass, and leaves the rest of the signal as is. I believe that this new combination of ear-bud and over-ear speaker is what allows this to happen, because I've never heard anything like it in a pair of cans. Ever. It is smooth, fast and game-changingly deep and rich. No rumble. No sudden spikes. And apparently safe on the ears!

I've seen skepticism about how accurate their scientific claims are. I can't really speak to that. But I was impressed by the sound for sure. And I listen with a critical ear, even more so with hyped products.

One of the more unusual things about these headphones is that they are essentially both in-ear buds and over-ear cans. I expected it might be uncomfortable, but it wasn't at all. The doctor on the team told me that they had options to refine the in-ear tech in a way other manufacturers can't, because Nura don't have to worry about keeping the buds from falling out- the build keeps them in. And with your earholes plugged by the buds, the over-ear part can vibrate and push bassier sounds against the ear without causing damage by sudden changes in air pressure going to your eardrums... Or something like that. They got pretty technical. I'll stick to the experience.

Basically, they get a 9/10. Clarity is excellent. Soundstage is wide. They drive well. Don't get too muddy or airy. Fantastically present across the spectrum. No sparkle or bite. The bass was even despite being very driven.

Not sure if that level of presence might get fatiguing after a while, as I only had 10-15 minutes to try them out.

If the claims are to be believed, the freq. response is the best on the market, because it's tailor made for you. It does sound very, very good. I was surprised they competed so well with my 7506s, which are famous for being a good, balanced reference can. The Boses weren't even close, sounded narrow and dull in comparison.

With the profile function disengaged, the signal was noisy, missing detail and had some high frequencies dropped out. In short, sounded cheap and nasty. But engaged, they sounded top end. The team acknowledged this. There isn't really a reason to have the profile off.

I know some folks on the board are into character, and some are into 'perfect flatness', but I can't speak to the authenticity of the response. They are going to be awesome for listening to and enjoying music. No clue about serious monitoring. I guess I would want to know in that case that I was hearing what others would hear, not something customised for me. In some sense, it is customised to be flat for you. It's a bit of a riddle which only more listening can solve.

Build-wise, also not sure what the deal is. The demo model was all prototype, and there was a mock-up of the early design for commercial release which wasn't functional. It was mostly a stylish, brushed aluminium- not the premium kind. With all that tech inside I hope they'll be durable. Cans were skinned with a soft and rubbery material, like what you find on ear buds. Ear buds were just normal ear buds that stick out from the cans. The heads are replaceable. The product has a modern, style-conscious look presumably intended for the commercial market.


Possible cons:

-They're planning to retail at US$399. This isn't cheap. I'm assuming they'll be looking to compete more with the luxury consumer brands, rather than pro-audio. They are certainly a threat to Bose and Beats. Would be great to see how they hold up against something like the Momentums. But honestly, I think we have a serious new contender arriving here. Currently kickstarting for a reasonable US$199.

-The lack of 3.5mm or 1/4" jack cable. There'll be USB only, which is fair enough, I guess. But I only have one USB socket on my MacBook Pro. Not sure I'll always want to use it up on my headphones. It looks like the USB cable will be replaceable. So... already better than half the headphones on the market in this respect. Also, I believe they're planning some adaptors.

-The cans themselves - on the demo model- were pretty large. Might be an issue if you got a small head. Personally I'm used to huge cans with giant sound stages, so no issue here.


Verdict : 8/10. Tentatively impressed. 9/10 at current price point, and have pre-ordered. I was about to write these off as a novelty dud, but I gave them a shot and really think they might set the world on fire this time next year.

Anyone else given 'em a try?

[Nitrosnail]

Oskab keegi soovitada odavaid Aliexpressist/Gearbestist wireless in-ear klappe sportimiseks? Päris lambikaid 10 euroseid ei taha võtta - pärast olematu heli ja 30min akukestvus ..

[NightStriker]

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[Athunik]

Ma ei tea kas siin enam selliseid Superluxi fänne on, kõik mainivad mingeid X klappe, millest pole ma kuulnudki.
Aga täna vaatasin kuidas klappidele cable modi tehakse ja tellisin juba vajalikud otsikud ja asjad ära ka. Ning peale seda panin tähele commentites, et Gearbestis on hetkel mingi flash sale http://www.gearbest.com/headsets/pp_279992.html?vip=1028038

Mul hetkel HD681B peas, tellisin vist Aliexpressist tol ajal sama hinnaga, sest polnud lihtsalt raha HD668B jaoks. Nagu ma praegu vaatan, siis Aliexpressis on nende hetke hind 34-38€. Loodetavasti on seda hinda tõsiselt väärt ka
Tellisin omale koos sellega KZ ATE S ka, sest keegi kunagi soovitas neid sportimiseks. Saab sellele ka siis pilgu peale visata, sest mu kaua teeninud Xiaomi Piston 2 kukub küll sörkides kõrvast ära..

[CoiL]

Athunik, kui huvitab ja natuke rohkem raha kui superluxid, siis Marantz MPH-2 /LyxPro HAS-30 / ISK MDH9000 (üksteise kloonid/re-brandingud) on ka väga kiidetud heli hinna suhtega ja peaksid mõistlik "hüpe" superluxidelt ülespoole olema.

[Athunik]

CoiL, kenad näevad välja küll. Aga tegu on vist selliste klappidega, mis summutavad välise heli ära? Mulle eriti selline asi ei meeldi, sest tihti kui vaja kuskil Discordis või teab kus lobiseda, siis mul hakkab väga imelik, kui enda häält ei kuule.
Sestap mulle need Superlux klapid istuvad praegu kõige paremini, kuuleb mis ümberringi toimub ja saab vabalt rääkida.

Üks vahe ma kaalusin AKG K240 ostu samuti, sest Amazonis olid nad oma 40€ eest müügil. Nüüd on nende hind jälle natukene lakke läinud..

[CoiL]

Athunik, vaevalt, et need nüüd niipalju summutavad, et üldse välist heli ja oma häält ei kuule. Aga jah, pool-avatud/avatud klapid siis ilmselt Teile sobilikumad.

[Caspar08]

[_marek]

Millised mikrofoniga kõrvaklapid mängurile võtta hinnaklassis -100 EUR?
Kas on ka selliseid, millel vajadusel mikrofoni eemaldada saab?

[Aeron]

link
Sellised saab UKst, ma just endale tööjuurde võtsin.
http://www.techspot.com/products/headsets/kingston-hyperx-cloud-2.114973/

[_marek]

Tänud! Pean siiski Eestist ostma, kuna vaja mõne päeva jooksul kätte saada, HV andmetel täitsa saadaval.
Kas oskad ehk täpsustada, mis vahe on esimesel ja teisel põlvkonnal ja Pro'l?

Kingston HyperX Cloud Stinger
Kingston HyperX Cloud Black
Kingston HyperX Cloud Core
Kingston HyperX Cloud II Gun Metal
Kingston HyperX CloudX Pro

[Athunik]

Aa jah, väga hea, et keegi mikrofonist juttu tegi.
Kas keegi siit juhuslikult sellist vigurit on proovinud? https://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_e205u.htm
Tundub, et tegu on ainukese Superluxi mikrofoniga, millel USB otsik. Ülejäänud mikrofonidel on XLR, mis minu jaoks on suhteliselt kasutu.

Sellesmõttes, et tahaks mingit hiinakat, mida väga kellelgi pole. Mingit lumepalli ma ei taha ja meteoriiti ka mitte. See küll kõrvaklappide teema, aga jamh..

[flameas]

Brainwavzi padjad jõudsid kohale, nüüd vaja vaid "rõngaid" saada et Hifimanidele need padjad külge panna. Hifiman 400i nii head et panin BT880 müüki

[Araablane]

_marek, Cloud 1 ja 2 on ehituselt sama, kuid Cloud 2 on kaasas USB helikaart mis annab sulle 7.1 virtuaal heli.
Stinger on sama helikvaliteediga nagu Cloud 1 aga kehvema (plastik) ehitusega.

[lopes39]

Need klapid on täitsa ok mis ma 8 euroga sain, kuid praagi versiooni sain
Üks klapp on kehvasti plaadi külge tinutatud, nii et ühe klapi juhe oli lahti.

Pean seda ise tegema või leidma kellegi kes selle ära teeks, kuna see värk on ülimalt pisike ja mul käed värisevad

[der hammer]

Kuna klappe läheb nagu leiba ,siis sai AliExpressist teliitud hunnik odavaid klappe mida kuskil välismaa foorumites kiidetud.

Esimesed Lastkings klapid jõudsid kohale ja peaks mainima ,et tegu on väga heade klappidega Paremad kui mingid random 20.- Philipsid ja hinnaks tuli 1.83.- kui ma tellisin. Otsmisel ma disainile küll tähelepanu ei pööranud ,aga nüüd lähemalt uurides peab tõdema et tegu on väga ilusate klappidega.

[Link32]

Kasutan Sony V150 klappe, väga rahul. Soovitan. Kerged. Isoleerivad välisheli normaalselt. Odavad.

https://www.klick.ee/sony-mdr-v150-dj-2

[CoiL]

[Athunik]

Sain just kätte oma KZ ATE-S ja Superlux HD688B.
Imestan natukene, et KZ ATE-S helikvaliteet on kohati parem kui Xiaomi Piston 2 oma. Või siis äkki on asi selles, et iga kord kui uusi klappe proovin, siis esimene nädal tunduvad nii hea kvaliteediga ja pika peale muutuvad kuidagi tavaliseks..

Igatahes, leidsin ühe huvitava saidi.. http://www.audiocheck.net/soundtests_headphones.php
Enda mõlemad Superluxi klapid mängivad kõike normaalselt, aga ühe sõbra klapid hakkavad esimese testi juures 100hz peal lihtsalt sahisema.

[Caspar08]

[Anna tooli]

[bladerunner]

Miskid odavad kiidetud AWEI A990BL Bluetooth IEM-d ostsin, tegelikkuses oli heli neil ikka paras kräpp.
Erilist usku pole, et mõni odav BT klapp ka norm heli teeks...

[Markos]

Mis seal kräppi oli ?

[bladerunner]

Markos, heli loomulikult.
$6 juhtmega "hiinakad" tegid vägagi norm häält nendega võrreldes.

[Markos]

Oskad ehk kirjeldada ? Mul on 920BL ja ma olen vaimustuses, mingid 6 eurised ei saa ligilähedalegi, tasemelt ca 10 korda kallimate branditoodete klassis pigem. Pole muidugi välistatud, et 990 ongi kräpp.

[pots4t4j4]

[ow4er]

HyperX Cloud II vs Sennheiser GSP 300?
Oskab keegi pakkuda, kus oleks võimalik antud klappe näppida/proovida?

[markedmen]

Keegi in ear kõrvaklappide parandamisega ka tegeleb? Või oskab soovitada, mida ise proovida? Tegemist on JVC HA-FXD80'ga ning pärast trennis käimist mängib üks pool kordades vaiksemalt kui teine, põhimõtteliselt 10-20% võimsusega. Proovisin puhastada vesinikperoksiidiga, pärast mida ei olnud sellest klapist mingiks ajaks mitte midagi kuulata, kuid nüüd teeb sama vaikset heli nagu enne puhastamist. Eks sai higi liiga palju ja seetõttu tuksis.
On üldse midagi nendega peale hakata, või on in-earid niimoodi ehitatud, et lahti võtmine lootusetu?

[CoiL]

Kui Te Tartus asuksite, siis võiksin pilgu peale heita kuigi kui seal juba miskit vedelikuga asjatatud, siis ei pruugi asja saada.

PS! Chi-fi market on üleküllastumas DAP`idega ja hinna-kvaliteedi suhe aina paraneb. IQQ C18 peaks väga kobe kraam olema ja plaanis endalgi millalgi ära proovida:
http://penonaudio.com/IQQ-C18

[der hammer]