[Dirty Harry]

Amphor, sellest on jah ka HV's juttu olnud juba. Ei ole teooria vaid praktika.

[tahanteada]

Paistab sedamoodi, et juba leidub neid kellele on tasuta Upgrade idee "vastukarva" toiming...

Free Windows 8 to Windows 10 Upgrade Useless, PC Makers Say

Spoiler

Windows 10 Preview is already here and all eyes are on the feature lineup that's going to be improved with every new testing builds release, but also on pricing details that could be unveiled by Microsoft at a later time.

Even though Microsoft hasn't talked about the price of Windows 10 until now, there have been some voices indicating that Redmond is considering a free upgrade for Windows 8 users in order to boost adoption of its new operating system and to get more people off its modern OS, which was considered to be more or less a flop.

Now it appears that PC makers aren't quite happy with such a promo because it could significantly impact new computer sales, and some have already expressed their dissatisfaction in private circles.

A report by Digitimes reveals that notebook component makers “take a pessimistic attitude” about Windows 10 because they expect the new operating system to have a really low impact on new PC sales.
The free upgrade could affect new PC sales

Some PC makers believe that by offering Windows 10 free of charge to those on Windows 8, sales of new computers would be dramatically impacted because no one would actually need to purchase new hardware.

And while this is true, if Microsoft decides to cancel such a promo, it would also become a double-edged sword: PC makers could indeed win a few more customers that would invest in new hardware, but Microsoft might in the end have to face a new wave of criticism for launching an expensive product.

And still, PC makers claim that “without innovations, the new operating system is unlikely to attract consumers to buy new PCs,” as the report states.

This isn't entirely true. Microsoft tried to tweak Windows 10 in such a way that most of the complaints in Windows 8 would be resolved, including the lack of a Start menu. At the same time, Microsoft also introduced some additional features, including multiple desktops, while also working to implement new ones in the coming updates.

But that doesn't mean anything, PC makers complain, and “Windows 8 users' free upgrade to Windows 10 means there will not be any significant replacement demand.”

Of course, there's no doubt that PC makers are right too, so Microsoft really needs to work this out the right way and kill two birds with one stone: boost new PC sales by convincing users on older Windows versions to upgrade to Windows 10 and lend a hand to manufacturers who are still struggling with disappointing numbers.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Free-Windows-8-to-Windows-10-Upgrade-Useless-PC-Makers-Say-461162.shtml

[napoleon]

Selle rauatootjate mure peale tekkis minul kohe küsimus, mis see tarkvaratootja mure peaks olema, kliendi jaoks on see ju boonus kui ei pea uut riistvara ostma. Keskmisele inimesele pole tegelikult isegi täna tegelikult i7 või kangemat proset vaja

[tahanteada]

Paistab, et tasapisi üritatakse siis välja uurida, et mis selle toreda "tegelase" sees "veel peidus on ja mida ta veel teha oskab"...

The Coolest Windows 10 Features Microsoft Didn't Announce

http://lifehacker.com/the-coolest-windows-10-features-microsoft-didnt-announc-1642802880
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Igaks juhuks lisaks ka siis ExtremeTechi kirjatükk:

Windows 10: The best hidden features, tips, and tricks

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/191541-windows-10-the-best-hidden-features-tips-and-tricks

[Vael]

[tahanteada]

Windows 10 Build 9860 Spotted Online, New Languages Included

Spoiler

Microsoft has completed development of a new build

Work on Windows 10 continues and Microsoft has recently completed development of a new testing build that has reportedly been spotted online, most likely as the company shipped it to partners and private testers.

Windows 10 build 9860, which is still part of the preview development stage, appears to be available in more languages than its predecessors, including Korean and Arabic. Other changes are yet to be disclosed, as this build is available only to a very limited group of testers.

Microsoft however is expected to update the existing testing builds of all users with new improvements in the coming weeks and even though the company hasn't yet provided us with a release schedule, people close to the matter told us that it intends to update the Windows 10 preview at least once or twice per month.

For those interested in keeping track of full build strings, the new release is shipped as 9860.0.141008-1904.winmain_CLIENTENTERPRISE_VOL_x86fre_en-gb, obviously with some changes at the end of the file name depending on the language version you choose.
New updates could launch “in a couple of weeks”

Even though the company hasn't made any public promise regarding the frequency of updates for Windows 10 preview installations, a source from within the company told us that new improvements for the original build of the operating system could be released “in a couple of weeks.”

While such a hint is pretty vague, one would expect to get new updates for Windows 10 next week during the company's Patch Tuesday rollout when security fixes and other performance improvements are actually released for a wider array of products, including Internet Explorer.

Nothing is confirmed so far, but future updates for Windows 10 preview could come with improvements in terms of performance and usability. As far as features are concerned, only minor changes are likely to be released this month.
Full focus on Cortana

Evidence of a PC version of Cortana has already been found in the existing builds of Windows 10, but we're hearing that Microsoft is working on the development process of this particular feature at full speed.

The company wants Cortana for the desktop to be ready by year-end and thus give users a chance to try it out right in their testing builds of the operating system. The plan is obviously to make the personal assistant ready in time for the full release scheduled for spring 2015.

This could obviously change overnight, as Microsoft is also planning to keep some of its features secret until Windows 10 comes out as a full product, so take all these details with a pinch of salt until they are confirmed by the software giant itself.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-10-Build-9860-Spotted-Online-New-Languages-Included-461774.shtml

[NATAS999]

[Muhekas]

ei ole ta nii käkk nüüd ka midagi

[tahanteada]

[NATAS999]

[jeesus188]

kui panna win 10 peale, kas siis tulevikus, kui asi ametlikuks läheb, pean uue installi tegema?
või hetkel veel liiga toores?

[Gap]

jeesus188, no ma ei tea .... lihtsalt proovimise mõttes oleks huvitav,aga eks see on nii 50/50 kuna see W10 ju alles esimene prooviversioon mis rahvale proovimiseks välja lasti ja eks tuleb ka hiljem teisi prooviversioone RC1 või mis iganes nimetustega need on pärast on jama kui see ja too ei tööta ....

[jeesus188]

Gap, tänud info eest

[Dirty Harry]

[Blitzkrieg]

on välja aetud hack kuidas peaks saama uusi builde kiiremini. Hetkel küll veel ei lase alla laadida midagi.
http://www.neowin.net/news/registry-tweak-lets-windows-10-see-new-preview-builds-but-dont-get-too-excited

[harakas]

Kas keegi virtualboxis ka käima on saand? Mul näitab seal valikutena aint igasugu 32 bit windowse kuni 8.1-ni ja 10-t pulgal ei näe. Või on probleem selles, et tõmbasin 64 bit iso ja virtualbox ei tunnistagi seda?

[Amphor]

valikuna määrasin ma ka windows8 vms, aga jooksma läks ilusti

[napoleon]

Virtualboxis töötab ilusti. BIOS settingutes tuleb 64bit guest puhul virtualization lubada, esimene vaste googlest:
http://superuser.com/questions/668006/why-virtual-box-wont-give-me-option-to-create-64-bits-guests

[Dirty Harry]

harakas, teema juures ülal paremal on otsingukast, kui sinna panna "virtualbox" siis leiab varasemaid postitusi, kus on ka juttu mida teha.

[Tomorrow]

[tahanteada]

Nii, igatahes on siis väljas suurem uuendus, build 9860 ja netis ringleb juba mitu õpetust kuidas ise uue buildi ISO-t teha.
Nii, et ehk on kellelegi kasuks, linke tuleb kaks, võib-olla on neid õpetusi ka rohkem olemas.
PS: Enda ISO on tehtud siis variant nr. kaasabil kuna ei viitsinud pikka õpetust (variant 2) läbi teha.

1. Get ISO image for Windows 10 build 9860 for a clean install

http://winaero.com/blog/get-iso-image-for-windows-10-build-9860-for-a-clean-install/
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2. How to Create a Windows 10 Build 9860 ISO

http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Create-a-Windows-10-Build-9860-ISO-463120.shtml

[jägaja]

Mõttetu pingutus. Build 9869 läheb automaatselt peale ja vanast buildist jäävad alles ainult isiklikud failid ja proged. Muu windowsi osa läheb eemaldamisele.
Ise pole siiani probleeme täheldanud.

[HA]

[Märt.]

HA, milleks otse minna, kui ringiga saab...

[miga]

uut buildi kuidagi lihtsalt olemasolevale 9841 saab peale lasta ?

[Tomorrow]

[d3t]

[Tomorrow]

Kellegi teisel AMD graafikakaardi kasutajal on sama jama, et nii kui draiver peale lasta enam Explorer ega Control Panel esiplaanile ei saa?
Avanevad ja on protsesside nimekirjas. Ka taskbaril on ikoon ja eelvaade aga akent ette ei saa. Kui AMD display draiver maha lasta on kõik jälle ok.

Lisaks minul jätkub see saaga, et Fast Boot ei toimi (alates algsetest Win8 versioonidest juba). Enamus kordadel hangub restardil. Aitab ainult hibernationi (ja seega ka Fast Boot) väljalülitamine. Ilmselt mingi raua konflikt.

[Mnator]

[tahanteada]

Paistab sedamoodi, et tasapisi hakkab tulema järgmine Build.
Ning lisaks veel see, et on alanud kampaania, meelitamaks Windows 7 SP1 kasutajaid üle tulema Windows 10-e maailma.
Nii, et täiesti näha on see, mida ka varem ennustati, et Nadella lõpetab varasemate toodete edasiarendamise ja sunnib kasutajaid üle minema sellele ühele ja ainsale tootele, Windows 10-le.

1. Windows 10 Build 9865 Features New Trackpad Gestures

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-10-Build-9865-Features-New-Trackpad-Gestures-Video-463302.shtml
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2. Microsoft: Users Will Be Able to Upgrade from Windows 7 SP1 to Windows 10

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Users-Will-Be-Able-to-Upgrade-from-Windows-7-SP1-to-Windows-10-463329.shtml

[jeesus188]

Win7 on tulevikus veel õudsam unenägu microsoftile kui seda oli xp.
Seal nii kergesti 10 peale kolima ei hakata kui xp pealt 7 peale

[Betamax]

Keeratakse uuendused kinni, RIA ja kohalik meedia koostöös Microsoftiga tekitavad jubeda kuvandi sellest, mis juhtub, kui uuele versioonile ei lähe, ja ongi tavakasutaja juba poes järjekorras.

Spoiler

[jeesus188]

Ma alles kolisin 2 arvutit xp pealt win7 peale, yleeile neist viimase.
Sai riistvara natuke uuendatud, muidu poleks vaja olnudki seda teha.
Pole mõtet jälle 5 aastst midagi muuta
10 ei tule neisse niipea

See meediatsirkus on ikka omaette klass

[b88]

ID kaardiga on maksete tegemisel probleeme, ehk siis allkirjastamisega. Interneti panka saan PIN1-ga ilusti sisse, kuid midagi rohkemat/kasulikumat kahjuks ei saa teha. Proovisin IE, ning Chrome-ga. Installeeritud on ID kaardi tarkvara.

[WäntWõll]

b88, IT suunitlusega voorumis võiks ikka osata nati täpsustada seda mure ja kui kirjeldada ei mõsita, siis tee ekraanipilt.
Kui ekraanipilti ei oska teha, siis abi saab M$-i veebist
http://windows.microsoft.com/et-ee/windows/use-snipping-tool-capture-screen-shots#1TC=windows-8

Kuna algne info oli enam kui puudlik, siis selle põhjal võin vastata, et mina saan ja pole probleemi
Raske öelda, kas see sind aitab.

[b88]

WäntWõll, Thanks, seda soovisingi teada, et kas peaks toimima üldse.
Aga täpsem viga: "Tarkvara laadimisel tekkis viga. Palun sulgege kõik veebilehitseja aknad ning sisenege interneti panka uuesti.". Olen teinud restarte jne, aga pole aidanud. Viga kusagil mujal, eks uurin seda, kui aega saan.
Õnneks on Win8 läpakas ka kasutada, kui vaja ülekandeid teha

[Tanel]

[b88]

Kui tõesti pole millegi muuga tegelda, kui oma postituste arvu selliste kommentaaridega tõsta, siis parandasin ära.

[Tanel]

b88, eksid, mul on vägagi palju tööd HV portaali haldamisega, postituste arv on täiesti kolmandajärguline.
Mind lihtsalt häirivad sellised massiliselt esinevad grammatikavead.

[b88]

Ok, arusaadav, kui häirivad siis häirivad. Ma arvan, et on võimalik normaalsemalt ka sellele viidata, kui hakata emakeele tundi korraldama.
Võtan teadmiseks, et järgmine kord, kui midagi kiiruga kirjutan, siis enne postitamist loen hoolikalt üle.

[WäntWõll]

b88, Mis ID-tarkvara versioon sul kasutusel on ja kas kasutad veebilehitsejat ikka Desktop vaates ?

[b88]

WäntWõll
v.3.9.1.1526 (64 bit).
Desktop ikka jah.

Midagi ID kaardi tarkvaraga lahti, kuna Utiliit crashib avades. Kuigi mäletan, et peale installi avanes ja kuvas õigeid ID kaardi andmeid.
Uninstallin ja proovin uuesti.

[edit]
Muudan, kuna järjest ei saa postitusi lisada (krt, uue postituse pean uuesti tükkima):
ID kaardi softi reinstall aitas. Peale seda Utiliit enam ei crashinud.
Chrome kasutamisel üks tähelepanek: Enne allkirjastamist tuli aadressi ribale paremale "Hüpikakna" teavitus, milles oli vaja "Luba..." teha.

Minu case lahendatud, tänud kaasa mõtlemast

[WäntWõll]

b88, Mis build on ?

[b88]

[WäntWõll]

b88,

[tfu]

Ei viitsi tervet teemat läbi lugeda, aga kas kasutate win10 oma põhi opsüsteemina või on see virtuaal masinas?

[b88]

Mul on põhiline, et töötaks Office 2013, Lync, Skype ja kõige vajalikum Remote Desktop Manager. Need töötavad korralikult, seega saan tööl testimiseks kasutada põhi OS-na. Igaks juhuks on kõrval ka läpakas (Win8.1), mida kasutan peamiselt kodus.
Nüüd sain Win10 peal ka ID-kaardi softi täielikult tööle - mulle see sobib.

[Tomorrow]

[Vael]

Pangateenused keyloggeriga OS-is? Njah mul endal üldse eraldi OS selle jaoks, eks igaüks ise teab...

[Mutiq]