[Archangel]

[Whiskey]

[Mafia]

The Technology of Dragon Age II – Part 2

Ilmselt maxed out, PC - ei näe üldse halb välja kui aus olla

Ja veel:

[Ertai]

Usun, et see nightmare võib raskem olla isegi, kui DA:O puhul.
Mõeldi, et muidu on liiga dumbed-down jne., aga teeme nightmare'i ÜLIraskeks, siis saame hardcore fännidele KA midagi pakkuda + pugeda nightmare'i taha, kui keegi ütleb, et dumbed down ja easy "Try nightmare - You won't survive ur worst fight!"



Aga jah, mäng varsti väljas, eks siis hakkab tulema ausaid reviewsid. Loodetavasti ikka mäng on hea kõigile pahadele eelarvamustele, mis mul on.

[der hammer]

Mäng lekkis internetti vms ? Torrenti saitidel asi ilutseb juba.

[Scart]

[KrisVr]

10 Things You Should Know About Dragon Age II
PCGamer

[Scart]

[londiste]

[Scart]

[marcor1]

See on parem, kuna - ei pea lugema, majandama, mõtlema

[Scart]

Ma soovin konsoolimängijatele edu. Tõsiselt. Vähemalt X360l on autoattack lahendatud geniaalselt: iga uue targeti puhul pead võtma ette rõnga ja sealt valima autoattacki optsiooni. Ja nii iga vastasega. Terve mängu. Või taod A'd nagu maniakk.

Spoiler

Tule taevas appi, Bioware!

[dstar]

[marcor1]

Ma pigem pakun, et tegemist pole laiskuse ja ahnusega vaid millegi palju hullemaga -
kui tüübid tegid omastarust hea RPG valmis (1. osa) siis mingi hetk tulid turundusosakonn jorsid ja ütlesid midagi väga halvasti ... miks mängijad ei saa mängida "normaalselt", vaid peavd ellujäämise nimel pingtama: vale skillipuu arendamise juures muutub ellujäämine suht võimatuks; killimise asemel peab inventari ja leveldamisega tegelema; kui dialooge õigesti ei vali siis jäävad osad asjad tegemata... no ja nüüd tehtigi "parem" ja "arenenud" kraam valmis.

[Nokia]

[Scart]

[Wiwefak]

Ei jah kahju kahju, meeldis tegelastele armoreid jne valida. Kusjuures see uus dialoogi värk kah eriti ei tõmba, kuna ennem ikka lugesin need võimalused läbi, nüüd vaatan seda pilti ja juttu ei vaatagi ning tehtud.

[camu]

Mängisin ka demo läbi. Seni kuni stoori on hea, pole minu jaoks vahet. Ostan kindlasti, ootan enne ilmselt mõned review´d ära ja mängin Dead Space 2 lõpuni.

[londiste]

the technology of dragon age ii – part 2 (bioware blog)
http://blog.bioware.com/2011/03/03/the-technology-of-dragon-age-ii-–-part-2/

[Archangel]

Game.co.uk order Processing hakkas pihta. Tänase jooksul peaks vist mäng teele minema. Lootust on õigel ajal kätte saada.

[thargun]

Jajah kaotame armorid, kaotame skillid,hei milleks neid dialooge vaja on,liiga palju aja raisku,ja need erinevad statsid ei,ei see raiskab aega.Ja milleks niipalju erinevaid spelle aja raisk,teeme parem kiire mõnusa smash buttoni.

In 2012 Boioware presents Dragon Age III-first person shuuter

[Archangel]

Mis teha. Dev'id teevad seda mida rahvas tahab. Ning üldsus on loll ja tahavad kiiret actionit vähese mõtlemisega. Tahes tahtmata mõjutab see aina rohkem ja rohkem firmasid. Ning siinkohal ma ei viskaks süüd niipalju Bioware kapsaaeda kuivõrd EA suunas.

Osaliselt olen sellise suunaga isegi nõus. Traditsiooniliste RPG-de loot süsteem on kohati küll ajast ja arust. Kannad kaasas kõike alates oma kahekäelisest mõõgast kuni hõbelusikateni välja. Mõnele vbl meeldib aga minu arust tüütu.
Miks ma peaksin 50% ajast oma inventorist istuma ning puzzlet kokku panema?

Aga see selleks. Üldiselt olen nõus sellise lähenemisega, et kergematel raskustasemetel süga kotte ning klõpsi nuppu ja raskematel tasemetel pigista hallollusest viimane välja, et hakkama saada. Nii on kõige õigem.

Kahjuks on see protsent inimesi, kes kõige raskemate tasemetega mängib ning kõike seda kasutab niivõrd väike, et Dev'd viitsivad aina vähem sellele tähelepanu pöörata.

Kusjuures State ja muud sellist on DA2-s nüüd tunduvalt rohkem. Tähendab näha on rohkem. Esimeses osas paku ise mida erinevad asjad sulle annavad ning enamik aega polnud üldse aimu palju dammi teed vms. Vähemalt nende rahustuseks on see kõik nüüd näha. See mulle meeldib.


Aga nagu öeldud on siis Nightmare peal pidi mäng ikka korralikult raske olema. Pea-asi, et oma peategelast saad samamoodi equippida igasugu asjadega. Üldiselt see küll nüüd ei morjenda. Kõvasti tasemel RPG-sid kus inventory suhteliselt vähe asju täis ning armoreid pole üldse või ainult mõni. Mõnes isegi relvade valik pea olematu. (Köhh-köhh. The Witcher. Vähe armoreid, vähe relvi - neid, millest kasu ka oleks. - kuid mäng ometi super).

Aga mis me ikka kisame siin - mõned päevad veel siis saan lähemalt kogeda mida mäng endast kujutab.

[KrisVr]

Dragon Age II saab häid skoore ülevaadetes! PC Gamer UK ülevaate märksõnadeks lausa, Dragon Age 2 is "darker, sexier and better" than the original and sports "the best RPG combat ever".

[Scart]

[KrisVr]

[ECMadis]

Tõmban demo praegu ja proovin järgi. Esimene osa meeldis aga teine tundub kuidagi kahtlane juba juttude järgi.

[Mafia]

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/300/index/6392956

Very high texture pack väljas!!!

[Scart]

1080p, Very High tekstuurid peal ja null AAd ning fps on 10 ja mäng ei näe välja parem DAOst... huhu
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Minge peamenüüs Accounti alla ja võtke ära linnukesed kogu online bullshiti eest. Selle teinuna lendas mu fps lakke.
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Mäng on täielik konsooliport. UI ja gameplay meenutavad DAOd ainult nime poolest.

[Whiskey]

08/03/2011
Your credit/ debit card has been authorised and your order is now being released for packing.
Funds will not be debited until your order is shipped.

Fingers crossed, et Eesti Post mäkra mängima ei hakka =)

[Archangel]

Mul läks teele igastähes.

08/03/2011 Your order has been dispatched.
08/03/2011 Your order is currently being picked and packed.
08/03/2011 Your credit/ debit card has been authorised and your order is now being released for packing.
Funds will not be debited until your order is shipped.
07/03/2011 Your order is held for credit checking.
07/03/2011 Your order is waiting for authorisation and release for fulfilment.
10/01/2011 Your order is currently held as a Preorder

[londiste]

dragon age ii: the decline of the classic rpg (hooked gamers)

[Scart]

link :: kae siit

Gamespot andis 8, mis seda saiti teades on üsna hävitav hinnang. Ma olen nüüd ~12 tundi asja kütnud ja ütleme nii, et tegu on esimese tõelise Bioware'i lati alt läbi jooksmisega. Ma loodan siiralt, et tegu on TORi poolt ära krabatud talendi puudumisega, sest mitte miski muu ei seletaks sellist tagasiminekut. Ühist ei ole DAOl ja DA2l küll mitte kui midagi peale nime.

[Killhoven]

[Archangel]

Ehk mäng ise-enesest on hea. Kuid võrreldes esimese osaga on siiski tagasiminek ning eemaldumine üldisest old-school rpg-dest. Nagu ka kõikide infotükkide järgi ka oodata oli.
Seega ma juba plaanin seda mängu võtta eraldiseisva RPG-na ning mitte võrrelda seda oma esimese osaga. A'la Deux Ex 2, ei olnud mitte halb mäng - kuid võrreldes esimese osaga siis kõvasti kehvem.

Btw. Deus Ex sai ka Gamespotilt pm. 8.0/10 hinnangu niiet selle järgi ma küll mängu valima ei hakkaks. Bloodlines sai samuti kehva hinnangu ning isegi The Witcher ei olnud midagi erilist oma hinnanguga.


Eks ma istun ja ootan millal mäng kohale jõuab.

Scart kas mängid Nightmarega? Kui oled juba ca. 12h mänginud siis kas sinu arust on ka mäng täiesti OK, lihtsalt expectation oli kõvasti suurem?

[Scart]

[Archangel]

Arusaadav.

Tuleb keskkool meelde kus õpetaja andis mulle samade tulemuste eest teistega võrreldes halvemad hinded kuna "ootas" minult rohkem.

[Cb4]

Ole ka nüüd veidi näppinud, ning üllatuseks...see krdi mäng ei jookse normaalselt

gtx480
i7 950 @ 4ghz
6gb ddr3

ning dx11 ja kõik põhjas, resi 1920x1080/1400x1050 ei ole võimalik mängida Dx9, siis on fps laes kinni(automaatselt langeb graafika säte mediumi peale). Pildi ilu....Ise-enesest miskit hlba ka pole, kuid norm rauaga peaks ikka jooksma ju

[Archangel]

Eks ennegi sellist kehva optimiseeritust nähtud. Ju PC versiooni optimiseerimiseks ei antud piisavalt aega. Eks vaikselt hakkab patche ning vbl uuemaid drivereid tulema, mis asjad korda teevad. Loota võib vähemalt.

[EvilKatarn]

Väidetavalt on BioWare olnud arg ülevaatekoopiate saatmisega.

Päris paljud mängulehed on pidanud ise Dragon Age 2 tellima, sest tüüpilisest tasuta saadetud varajasest ülevaatekoopiast pole haisugi.

[Archangel]

Ju siis tõesti ise ka ei uskunud, et Esimese osa vääriline tuleb ning seda ei saa ju rahvale näidata enne mängu release. Need mõned review kohad vbl positiivselt meelestatud Bioware suunas või lihtsalt EA poolt ära ostetud vms.

Aga savi. See poliitika, mis seal telgitagustes käia võib ikka päris hull olla...

[ECMadis]

Cb4,
Mul samamoodi Very High peal hakkab tõksuma ja värki. Aga High panna siis jookseb puhtalt

Täna sai kaks tunnikest mängu tehtud ainult ja kohati pettunud, samas savi ka. Ei ole nende mängude hulgas, mida ootan see aasta
Läbi mängin ikka mõne nädala jooksul ehk.

[Scart]

Nvidia ja DX11 on katki. Olid katki juba demos ja Bioware teatas, et fullis on korras. Aga Bioware'i sõna maksab hetkel suht sama palju kui kanapiss.

[Wiwefak]

Hmm sai kah natuke proovitud, see dialoog jah natuke segab mind, muidu ikka lugesin teksti läbi nüüd vaatan ainult seda pilti keskel. Nightmare on ikka jube kurat korduvalt surnud, et vahepeal viskab hardi peale kui 20-s kord pähe saan. Üks asi ajab mind närvi mingi lampi tont laseb sulle 10 knockbacki järjest ning tegelane sureb. Skillid ja spellid on vähemalt ilusamad nüüd. Rock Armor spell tundus lahe.

[Scart]

Selle mängu surm on heali puudumine. Ehk maakeeli - see ei ole tüüpiline dünaamiline seikluslik RPG, vaid tegu on toore häkkändsläshiga ja amatöörliku katsega at that. HPd saab ainult pottidest (mida saab korraga kaasas olla ainult neli) ning maagidel on ÜKS healing spell (mille CD on 40 sekundit). Taipate ilmselt isegi, kuhu see tekst järgmiseks viib...

Combat on primitiivsuse tipp. Sisened ruumi/alasse ning spawnib/ründab sind X kogus vastaseid. Madalaimad vastased on puhas trash, neid on 5-6 ja nad kukuvad mõne hetkega. Teisena seisavad juba kõvemad poisid, kellel on vähemalt 2x rohkem HPd ja kes juba löövad, neid on 2-3. Kõrgeimana seisavad komandörid, kes on juba päris karmid poisid ja neid on üks. Kuna heali kui sellist ei ole, on kogu combat skaalalt üliväike ja kontsenteeritud. Mitmel juhul sõna otseses mõttes ühes toas. Teed toa puhtaks, avad ukse ja järgmine tuba ja siis järgmine jne. Toa uks on suletud nõnda kauaks, kuni vastased elavad. Arena combat ja puhas dps race. Kas sina neid või nemad sind. Vastaseid "üle elada" ei ole võimalik. Klassikaline "tank haarab agro ja healer hoiab teda üleval kuni kuripahad katki tehakse, ei kehti. Selle asemel on mingi hale katse teha ma ei tea. Ja selline ongi terve mängu combat. Unustada võib 3-4 minuti draakonifightid kui tankide ja spirit healerite uskumatu show. Selle asemel on ma ei teagi kohe, mis.

[martin366]

Detailivaesus annab küll tunda maailmas..
Tegelased on suht enamvähem, selged jooned jms.
Proovin selle texturepacki ka ära

[Heineken]

[martin366]

Suht mõttetu game ikka.. pole midagi huvitavat. Jookse ja tapa aint
Peab ikka Gothic 4 uuesti mängima

[Abazel]

Peaks vist ikka ise ära proovima, kurb küll kui combat on tuimaks hack & slash zergimiseks tehtud. Kuidas CC'ga on, seda kah enam ei ole? Ju siis oli majanduslikult kasulikum teha konsoolide jaoks selline taandareng DA:O'ist.

[Scart]

Mäng läbi. Pasten siia oma revüü ka, mis väljamaalaste jaoks sai kirjutatud ja ma ei viitsi seda tõlkima ka hakata. Kirjutasin selle öösel, seega on lõpuosa tekst puudu, kuid miskit ei muutu mängu käigus nagunii.

Spoiler

Here's my review:

1) The game is 100% linear. It's a corridor shooter like ME2. Only non-linearity is hidden in the "big decisions" that will shape the city and you the next time you return to the game and a year or two has passed. Case in point - when you get to Kirkwall, you will have to work for either an interested party A or B and that decision will shape how the things are when you return to the game one year later. I need to get some replay time in to really grasp the possible changes. By the looks of things, they might very well be cosmetic.

2) Combat is a DPS race. There is no classical tank and spank. Healing as you know it or as Wynne did it, is gone. It's a pure race, you either kill them or they will kill you. If it sounds like hack'n'slash, then that's because it is. And it's arena combat to boot. You enter a room/combat zone and the enemies there attack/spawn. There is a certain number of them and they come in waves. There are trash mobs, normal mobs and elite mobs and perhaps even an elite assassin. You burn them down before they do it to you and the combat is either over or another wave spaws. That is how the combat goes, 100% of the duration of the game. You clear a room, a door opens, you enter the next room and you do it again. Anders can heal, once every 40s and you can only carry 4 health potions and the elite assasins steal them from you and use them themselves. As I said - a DPS race. There is no strategy involved. Remember the good old days when Alistair would taunt and try to hold all the enemies on him while damage dealers burned them down and Wynne did her best to keep Alistair alive while doing so? Those days are gone. Everybody DSPes, no-one heals or quits. And if you can't do it, I will kill you with my friendly fire myself, you get me?! Oh, one more thing. If you don't kill the boss fast enough, an endless amount of henchmen will spawn as waves. This mechanic has been implemented for every boss fight so far but I cannot attest to the later parts of the game. Perhaps it changes, perhaps it does not.

3) Kirkwall. It's a village. Tarris is about 10x times(I am not kidding) as big in real estate terms. Kirkwall has four "districts", homes of the characters + mission specific locations. You can run from one side of the city to the other in oh about a minute if you exclude the loading times. Imagine Denerim's Market District and multiply that by four. You have Kirkwall.

There is nothing in it. It's empty. Non-interactive city people do their best to fill it by day (and yell the same two or three lines of text on every corner) and by nights it's totally empty. A few characters are actually left for the night as well, but if these ladies are included in some quest, I have not reached it yet. They even happily support the wall with themselves when I am fighting right next to them. Hardcore people live in Kirkwall, it seems. I mentioned the night part. Bioware had an ingenious idea on how to make more playing room - Kirkwall has day and night cycles which you trigger on the map screen. With a simple push of a button you get twice the real estate and double the boredom!

4) Difficulty. It quite literally goes from easy to nightmare in a few seconds and then back again. I play on normal now, as I can't be bothered to replay fights 10 times on every corner due to assassins being godly overpowered. Loot is almost non-existent in the RPG meaning of the word and every item you do get, is a boost best described by "massive". After reaching lvl6 with my rogue, I got to equip two pieces of loot and my DPS almost doubled on the paper doll simply due to those two items. Now I have to make due with this DPS for atleast a level or two which in real life terms could mean anything from one hour to three. Bioware really went overboard with the streamlining in this case. The only loot you get in spades is "Junk Loot" and that even has its own tab in your inventory. And when you visit a merchant, you can just press the "Sell Junk" button and off it goes. Was it even required? They just as well could have simply put the coin into the chest in my opinion. On nightmare, without the DLC items, the game came down to luck. You could finish a fight without a scratch and then the same fight die 10 times if you reloaded. Assassins and Reavers are so powerful that they can and will twoshot anyone in your party, even the tank. Poo Bethany will simply get destroyed. If you manage to disable them even for a few seconds, they will go down but if your grenade or poison is resisted, you might as well reload right there and then. This is on Nightmare difficulty. On Hard, everything is a cakewalk. The difference between Hard and NM are immense. But since NM is the only difficulty level that has friendly fire (another dubious decision by Bioware), I would like to play on that. But I can't as I will get destroyed 20 times in every hour. Maybe all the DLC items are required to survive, I don't know.

5)Gameplay. Streamlined to hell and back and consolized to oblivion. The UI is palpable. It's the same UI as in ME2, only now you can doubleclick in the menus! Sounds like something to be put on the box cover to me. You have fetch quests, you have companion quests and then you have the main quest. Fetch quests are the worst. On your "travels" in the village of Kirkwall, you come across different items that add a quest. With no information on where to take them. Instead, when you reach the map screen, every district and location has all the quests currently associated with them displayed if you hover over them. So you look for the right one, load into that district and follow the quest market. That's it. And there are many of these quests. Many. You can receive companion quests only in their "homes" and you can talk to them also only at their place. These quests seem to always end in bloodshed. To be honest, I have not managed to end a mission without killing something if there is a confrontation during it. I guess the removal of social skills(diplomacy, threaten etc.) might have something to do with it. But it's all good as streamlining is the future. At least Bioware seems to think that. There has been no word on mod tools and I really don't know what the mods could even do at this point. One thing they really need to add is a weapon swap button. Yes, you read correctly, there is no weapon swap button in this game. Meaning you have to manually enter the inventory screen and drag a bow to the weapon slot and then your melee weapon back again. Another streamlining genius by Bioware.

All in all, a solid 6/10. Not more, not less. For Bioware, DA2 marks the very first time (at least for me) when they have really missed their mark. Their hysterical marketing seems to confirm that with all the preorder madness and now doctor Ray yelling that DA2 is their best game to date. It's not. It's their worst by a mile and if they don't learn from this and will continue their streamlining crusade, the last true RPG developer is gone. Even console players are saying that this game went too far and that's saying something. If you let go of all that was DA:O, you will enjoy and like this game. But as a sequel, it does not hold candle. The obvious rush job they did on the game is apparent everywhere you look. DA:O took five years to make, they did DA2 in two. Reused textures, the entire re-re-re-re-reused Kirkwall and technical problems. Nvidia was the one pushing DX11 into DA2 and at the release, it does not even work for that manufacturer although Bioware stated after the demo fiasco that the issues encountered are fixed in the gold version. DA2 on X360 does not have an autoattack button, as somehow a non-gold version of the game was pressed onto the dvds. EA was in such a hurry to get the game out that even the save game import feature does not work correctly. How does something like this happen, especially for a self-proclaimed AAA title? One word: rushing. And that same action is something that you should not do. I suggest to wait for the (soon to come by the looks of things) Ultimate Edition that has all the trillion different DLC items packaged in and ready to go. Get the game if you must but in this case, waiting might be worth it. Just don't say that you were not warned.

[madfury]

JA sellepärast kallid inimesed ongi olemas piraatlus, sest ametlikud revüüd on nii ära ostetud, et peale oma silma mitte midagi uskuda ei tohi. Ja RPG-st pole midagi järel nähtavasti, ma tean, et ME2 on mõttetu corridor shooter, kuid ei osanud arvata, et DA2 on samasuguseks tehtud. Palju õnne, ma ei hakka seda isegi GOTY versioonina bargaining binist ostma.
Võlusõna jällegi streamline, mille eesmärk on köita eelkõige konsoolidel pesitsevaid (kui mitte ainult konsoolidel) nooremat CODi generatsioonid. Woohoo