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bitCON
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liitunud: 12.11.2005
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06.01.2011 14:38:48
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Obama arvamus 2006 aastal riigi võlalimiidi suurendamisest:
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/whose-line-it
ja nüüd vabariiklased said pukki lubadustega riigivõlga vähendada jne jne ja nüüd John "Boner" juba räägib et kindlasti tuleb võlalimiiti suurendada 
LOL AMEERIKA
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Magic
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liitunud: 28.12.2001
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06.01.2011 15:05:09
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Asi lõpetatakse hüperinflatsioonis.
Nüüd oleks ka Eesti riigil viimane aeg hakata laenama - nüüd kindlasti tuleb ja paneb mulle keegi selle eest vastu pead
Mõtlen muidugi selliseid laene, mis jätaks raha enamuses Eestisse....
Et mis juttu ma nüüd räägin ja varem nagu arvasin teist asja - point on selles, et ma lootsin, et valitakse ikka teine tee kui laenude suurendamine.
See, et paar EL'i suurt panka põhja lasta poleks tavakodanikule veel midagi teinud....
Ma arvan, et aega on kusagil 1-2 aastat - siis on juba selge, et raha print ei tee midagi paremaks.
Näiliselt hoiab see küll majandust käimas, aga see pigem teema, et kas lõputu õudus või õudne lõpp.
Kuigi jah, kui eeldada et mul oleks miljon laenu ja mu palk tõuseks kiiremini, kui inflatsioon siis plaksutaks ma raha printimise peale käsi
Seega vähemalt mulle jääb mulje, et hetkel käib hämaras toolimäng ja keegi veel põrandale ei prantsata, aga kui saabub pimedus...
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bitCON
Aeg Maha 2n
liitunud: 12.11.2005
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06.01.2011 21:35:31
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Asi lõpetatakse hüperinflatsioonis |
ja eile astus tagasi viimane/ainuke mees kes teab mis USAd ootab ja kuidas inflatsiooni võidelda.
btw, oskab keegi mingit head lugemist anda aktsiate/börside toimimise põhimõtetest jne?
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liitunud: 01.10.2001

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06.01.2011 22:28:18
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Üha kallinev nafta ähvardab kriisist taastumist pärssida
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Kõrge naftahind võib analüütikute sõnul hakata juba maailmamajanduse kriisist taastumist pärssima, sest naftabarreli hind ähvardab peagi kerkida üle 100 USA dollari taseme.
Selle nädala alguses tõusis nafta hind New Yorgi börsil üle 92 dollari märgi, Londoni börsil isegi üle 96 dollari, mis on 27 kuu kõrgeim tase, vahendas "Aktuaalne kaamera".
Paramount Options'i naftamaakler Ray Carbone ütles, et tema panustab naftahinna pikemaajalisele tõusule. "Ma arvan, et 2011. aastal ületab naftabarreli hind 100 dollari taseme. Ja ma arvan, et hind jääb tänavuse aasta jooksul pigem hinnavahemiku ülemisse ossa."
Oppenheimer & Co nafta ja gaasi uuringute tegevjuht Fadel Gheit märkis, et maailma majanduskasv on ikka veel heitlik. "See pole tugev. Tõusvad naftahinnad mõjuvad negatiivselt ja see pärsib majanduskasvu. Hinnatõus ehmatab tarbijaid ja USA majandusest 70% moodustab kodumaine tarbimine," selgitas ta.
Rahvusvahelise energiaagentuuri sõnul on jäkuvalt tõusvad kütusehinnad jõudmas ohutsooni, kuna kallimad hinnad võivad kahjustada arenenud riikide tarbimist ja habrast majanduskasvu. Kui naftabarreli hind läeneb 100 dollarile, kasvab surve ka naftakartellile OPEC, mis eelmisel kuul jättis tootmiskvoodi muutmata. |
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Aeg Maha 2n
liitunud: 12.11.2005
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07.01.2011 02:26:26
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eur/usd=1 aastal 2011? paistab küll sedamoodi minevat
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liitunud: 28.12.2001
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07.01.2011 10:46:10
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Minu graafik jookseb alla
Kuigi jah...täpselt toetuspunktil on hetkel.
Mulle meeldib nafta rohkem - seal mul õlleraha käes. Tore, et ka minisummadega saab mängida ja eriti tore, kui algsumma tasuta antakse.
Samas on see võimendusinstument, nii et kujutame ette millist kurja on võimalik tekitada sellega suurema vaba raha korral - tegelikult teenisid teatud firmad väga kõvad kasumid kui lükkasid 2008 alguses mulli veelgi kiiremini veerema.
Kusagil oli ka mingi jutt, et panustati ~100 miljonit võimendusega - reaalselt siis kusagil 1-2 miljardit. Kui pall veerema saadi ja ebakindlus aina kasvas hakati vaikselt positsioone likvideerima.
Midagi vist nüüd muudeti kas börsireeglites, aga arvestades kui palju lahedat kraami on alles, siis...
Keegi võiks pigem otsida, kas Eesti Pangale jääb üldse mingi otsustusõigus reservide määramise osas?
Selles suhtes, et mida rohkem ma uurin seda debiilsem see 2% tundub - meil on ka mingi garantii eraldi, aga see tähendab, et kui Rootslased meil vaiba alt tõmbavad, siis plekime ise siinsete pankade aitamise kinni.
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~40 miljardit ju vabaneb... samas sellega ilmselt likvideeritakse kohaliku filiaali võlgu emapanga ees. Sisuliselt rändab see raha siit kibekiiresti välja.
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2korda2
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liitunud: 19.07.2003
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07.01.2011 11:32:06
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Buffet on võimenduse kohta korduvalt kenasti öelnud:
"Leverage is the only way a smart guy can go broke."
"When you combine ignorance and leverage, you get some pretty interesting results. "
Siinsamas teemas võtsin 2008 lõpus sõna, kus mainisin, et vaatamata teemas (ja maailma ajakirjanduses) valitsenud doom and gloom meeleolule on õige aeg üle vaadata investeerimisvõimalused. Tegin 2008 detsembris esimese sissemakse. Dietzi meetodil arvutatuna on portfelli tootlus olnud:
2009 - +53%
2010 - +124%.
Seejuures ei kasutanud kordagi võimendust. Kahe väikese lühiajalise erandiga olen ostnud ainult korraliku bilansiga turuliidreid. Hetkel portfellis vaid 1 ettevõte, mis pole dividende maksnud.
Eesti pank ei otsusta reservimäärade üle (see raha on juba olulises osas välja rännanud). Me ei pea mingil moel hakkama Rootsi panku päästma. Küll võivad teoreetiliselt täitmisele minna riikide päästmise paketi tagatised (ma olen suhteliselt pesiimistlik selle võimaluse realiseerumise osas aga noh...)
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liitunud: 28.12.2001
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07.01.2011 11:50:13
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Sisuliselt ei õigusta, siis Eesti pank enam kuidagi enda kõrget palgataset ja pole ime, et andekamad on sealt jalga lasknud.
Nüüd veel see reisimise hange
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2korda2 kirjutas: |
Buffet on võimenduse kohta korduvalt kenasti öelnud:
"Leverage is the only way a smart guy can go broke."
"When you combine ignorance and leverage, you get some pretty interesting results. " |
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liitunud: 04.02.2002
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07.01.2011 12:31:10
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Confirmed: We’re Literally On the Brink of Catastrophic Collapse
Turbo-Timmy ütles ka lõpuks tõe välja. Eks ta pidigi, ta on ju ainus alles jäänud majandusmees Nobama administratsioonis
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liitunud: 01.10.2001

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07.01.2011 20:22:28
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Postitan selle USA Rahandusministri avaliku kirja ka siia täies mahus.
Allikas: http://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Pages/letter.aspx
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The Honorable Harry Reid
Majority Leader
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Mr. Leader:
I am writing in response to your request for an estimate by the Treasury Department of when the statutory debt limit will be reached, and for a description of the consequences of default by the United States.
Never in our history has Congress failed to increase the debt limit when necessary. Failure to raise the limit would precipitate a default by the United States. Default would effectively impose a significant and long-lasting tax on all Americans and all American businesses and could lead to the loss of millions of American jobs. Even a very short-term or limited default would have catastrophic economic consequences that would last for decades. Failure to increase the limit would be deeply irresponsible. For these reasons, I am requesting that Congress act to increase the limit early this year, well before the threat of default becomes imminent.
As you know, in February of 2010 Congress passed legislation to increase the debt limit to $14.29 trillion. As of this writing, the outstanding debt that is subject to the limit stands at $13.95 trillion, leaving approximately $335 billion of “headroom” beneath the current limit. Because of the inherent uncertainty associated with tax receipts and refunds during the spring tax filing season, as well as other variable factors, it is not possible at this point to predict with precision the date by which the debt limit will be reached. However, the Treasury Department now estimates that the debt limit will be reached as early as March 31, 2011, and most likely sometime between that date and May 16, 2011. This estimate is subject to change depending on the performance of the economy, government receipts, and other factors. This means it is necessary for Congress to act by the end of the first quarter of 2011.
At several points in past years, Treasury has taken exceptional actions to delay the date by which the limit was reached in order to give Congress additional time to raise the limit. These extraordinary actions include: suspending sales of State and Local Government Series (SLGS) Treasury securities[1]; suspending reinvestment of the Government Securities Investment Fund (G-Fund)[2]; suspending reinvestment of the Exchange Stabilization Fund (ESF)[3]; and determining that a “debt issuance suspension period” exists, permitting redemption of existing, and suspension of new, investments of the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund (CSRDF)[4]. Treasury would prefer not to have to engage again in any of these extraordinary measures. If we are forced to do so again, these measures could delay the date by which the limit is reached by several weeks. Once these steps have been taken, no remaining legal and prudent measures would be available to create additional headroom under the debt limit, and the United States would begin to default on its obligations.
As discussed in greater detail below, raising the debt limit is necessary to allow the Treasury to meet obligations of the United States that have been established, authorized, and appropriated by the Congress. It is important to emphasize that changing the debt limit does not alter or increase the obligations we have as a nation; it simply permits the Treasury to fund those obligations Congress has already established.
In fact, even if Congress were immediately to adopt the deep cuts in discretionary spending of the magnitude suggested by some Members of Congress, such as reverting to Fiscal Year 2008 spending levels, the need to increase the debt limit would be delayed by no more than two weeks. The limit would still need to be raised to make it possible for the government to avoid default and to meet the other obligations established by Congress.
The national debt is the total amount of money borrowed in order to fulfill the requirements imposed by past Congresses and under past presidencies, during periods when both Republicans and Democrats were in control of different branches of government. These are legal obligations, incurred under the laws of the United States. Responsibility for creating the debt is bipartisan, and responsibility for meeting the Nation’s obligations must be shared by both parties.
As the 112th Congress turns to this issue, I want to stress that President Obama believes strongly in the need to restore balance to our fiscal position, and he is committed to working with both parties to put the Nation on a fiscally responsible path. This will require difficult choices and a comprehensive approach to reduce the gap between our commitments and our resources. It will require that the government spend less and spend more wisely. The President has already taken important steps, including enacting the savings in the Affordable Care Act; restoring Pay-As-You-Go budgeting; and undertaking a three-year freeze on non-security discretionary spending. The President’s proposals would put us on a path to cut the deficit by more than half in the medium term, and substantially reduce the rate of growth in federal health care costs in the long term. The President looks forward to working with Members of the 112th Congress on additional measures to address our medium- and long-term fiscal challenges.
Because Congress has always acted to increase the debt limit when necessary, and because failure to do so would be harmful to the interests of every American, I am confident that Congress will act in a timely manner to increase the limit this year. However, for the benefit of Members of Congress and the public, I want to make clear, for the record, what the implications of a default would be so there can be no misunderstanding when the issue is debated in the House and Senate.
Reaching the debt limit would mean the Treasury would be prevented by law from borrowing in order to pay obligations the Nation is legally required to pay, an event that has no precedent in American history. Such a default should be understood as distinct from a temporary government shutdown resulting from failure to enact appropriations bills, which occurred in late 1995 and early 1996. Those government shutdowns, which were unwise and highly disruptive, did not have the same long-term negative impact on U.S. creditworthiness as a default would, because there was headroom available under the debt limit at that time.
I am certain you will agree that it is strongly in our national interest for Congress to act well before the debt limit is reached. However, if Congress were to fail to act, the specific consequences would be as follows:
The Treasury would be forced to default on legal obligations of the United States, causing catastrophic damage to the economy, potentially much more harmful than the effects of the financial crisis of 2008 and 2009.
A default would impose a substantial tax on all Americans. Because Treasuries represent the benchmark borrowing rate for all other sectors, default would raise all borrowing costs. Interest rates for state and local government, corporate and consumer borrowing, including home mortgage interest, would all rise sharply. Equity prices and home values would decline, reducing retirement savings and hurting the economic security of all Americans, leading to reductions in spending and investment, which would cause job losses and business failures on a significant scale.
Default would have prolonged and far-reaching negative consequences on the safe-haven status of Treasuries and the dollar’s dominant role in the international financial system, causing further increases in interest rates and reducing the willingness of investors here and around the world to invest in the United States.
Payments on a broad range of benefits and other U.S. obligations would be discontinued, limited, or adversely affected, including:
U.S. military salaries and retirement benefits;
Social Security and Medicare benefits;
veterans’ benefits;
federal civil service salaries and retirement benefits;
individual and corporate tax refunds;
unemployment benefits to states;
defense vendor payments;
interest and principal payments on Treasury bonds and other securities;
student loan payments;
Medicaid payments to states; and
payments necessary to keep government facilities open.
For these reasons, any default on the legal debt obligations of the United States is unthinkable and must be avoided. It is critically important that Congress act before the debt limit is reached so that the full faith and credit of the United States is not called into question. The confidence of citizens and investors here and around the world that the United States stands fully behind its legal obligations is a unique national asset. Throughout our history, that confidence has made U.S. government bonds among the best and safest investments available and has allowed us to borrow at very low rates.
Failure to increase the debt limit in a timely manner would threaten this position and compromise America’s creditworthiness in the eyes of the world. Every Secretary of the Treasury in the modern era, regardless of party, has strongly held this view. Given the gravity of the challenges facing the U.S. and world economies, the world’s confidence in our creditworthiness is even more critical today.
I hope this information is responsive to your request and will be helpful as Congress considers this important legislation.
Sincerely,
Timothy F. Geithner
cc: The Honorable John A. Boehner, Speaker of the House
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader
The Honorable Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader
The Honorable Dave Camp, Chairman, House Committee on Ways and Means
The Honorable Sander M. Levin, Ranking Member, House Committee on Ways and Means
The Honorable Max Baucus, Chairman, Senate Committee on Finance
The Honorable Orrin Hatch, Ranking Member, Senate Committee on Finance
All other Members of 112th Congress |
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liitunud: 04.02.2002
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09.01.2011 14:52:05
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Vana uudis aga siiski väga tähtis uudis
The Nissan Leaf just beat 40 other vehicles to be named Europe’s 2011 “car of the year.”
The slick electric car received the award today from a jury of 57 automotive journalists from 23 countries. Everyone was quick to note this is the first time the award has gone to an electric car, but then, it’s the first time an affordable, mass-market electric car has been available.
“The jury acknowledged today that the Nissan Leaf is a breakthrough for electric cars,” said Hakan Matson, jury president. “Nissan Leaf is the first EV that can match conventional cars in many respects.”
He isn’t kidding. We’ve been driving a Nissan Leaf since Wednesday and have been impressed by its performance, range and utility. We’ll have a full review soon, but the bottom line is the Leaf is more than an impressive electric car. It’s an impressive car.
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The Massachusetts Supreme Court just dealt a negative ruling to the banks in the closely-followed Ibanez case, which challenged securitization standards. It's pretty straightforward: The banks didn't have the proper parwork to foreclose, says the court. Hence, no legitimate foreclosure.
Ventilaator kattus pruuniga.
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MatchMaker
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liitunud: 23.06.2007
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10.01.2011 01:40:27
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Kaks huvitavat artiklit Financial Timesist
Trade war looming, warns Brazil
Spoiler 
Brazil has warned that the world is on course for a full-blown “trade war” as it stepped up its rhetoric against exchange rate manipulation as a form of veiled export subsidy.
Guido Mantega, finance minister, said Brazil was preparing measures to prevent further appreciation of its currency, the real, and would raise the issue of exchange rate manipulation at the World Trade Organisation and other global bodies.
The US and China were among the worst offenders, he said. “This is a currency war that’s turning into a trade war.”
Mr Mantega’s comments follow interventions in currency markets by Brazil, Chile and Peru last week and sharp rises in the Australian dollar, Swiss franc and other currencies.
The actions have renewed interest in how to manage destabilising flows of speculative money, with the IMF suggesting last week that the world needed rules to govern the use of capital controls.
Mr Mantega in September launched controls on foreign portfolio investments in Brazil aimed at stemming a 39 per cent rise in the real against the dollar in the past two years.
He said most of Brazil’s measures last year were directed at the spot market but the focus had switched to the futures markets, which he said were now behind the upward pressure on the currency.
Following Thursday’s surprise measure to curb short selling of the dollar against the real by onshore banks, he said: “You can expect more measures on the futures market.”
However, analysts said China would be expected to veto any attempt to change WTO rules to incorporate exchange rates.
Mr Mantega said Brazil’s trade with the US had slipped from an annual surplus of about $15bn in Brazil’s favour to a deficit of $6bn since quantitative easing in the US. He said China’s overvalued currency was also distorting world trade. “We have excellent trade relations with China ... But there are some problems as China is a big competitor in manufactured goods. . . . Of course we would like to see a revaluation of the renminbi.”
He said that even if the US began to recover and to tighten its monetary policy, the real would be unlikely to weaken.
“As the situation in the US improves, there will be less risk in the global economy so investors will become more daring,” he said, adding they would seek greater returns in high-growth markets.
“The weak dollar is not only a question of liquidity, it’s also about risk aversion.”
Tensions rise in currency wars
Spoiler 
If the world’s shell-shocked investors thought that 2011 might see an outbreak of peace in the currency wars, they were sadly mistaken. Not only did Brazil last week take more action to stem the rise in the real but Chile, one of the most free-market of emerging economies, has also unveiled a campaign of intervention against its currency.
With a sense that the battles against destabilising capital inflows are here to stay has come a determination to set new rules of engagement on controlling them. But given the uncertainty and political explosiveness around the issue, any such venture faces a tough future.
The International Monetary Fund last week revealed an attempt to put itself at the centre of the debate, releasing a study arguing for global rules to constrain governments’ use of capital controls. But observers doubt that it will broker a deal soon. “The IMF has made a pre-emptive grab for power without a clear idea of what it is asking for,” says Eswar Prasad, a former senior IMF official now at Cornell University.
The case for global rules is that one country’s actions can spill over to others. Last year’s rash of direct currency market intervention to slow speculative capital inflows, for example, proved self-perpetuating as country after country rushed to stop its own exchange rate being the only one to rise.
But as the IMF itself admits, the issue is complex. Aside from direct currency intervention, measures range from inflow controls, such as a requirement that Chile once had for investors to post interest-free deposits at the central bank, to banking regulations such as Brazil’s decision to raise reserve requirements on foreign exchange positions, to emergency blocks on investors taking money out of the country in a crisis.
And while many economists have coalesced around the view that short-term inflow controls are a legitimate tool to prevent destabilising capital movements, views on their efficacy are varied – and have shifted over the past decade.
During the 1990s, enthusiasm for free markets led the US Treasury and the IMF’s management to try to amend the fund’s mandate, proposing changes to its articles of association to promote capital account liberalisation. The effort foundered on opposition from emerging market countries, and the currency collapses of the 1997-1998 Asian financial crisis convinced many of the dangers of a sudden reversal of speculative capital flows.
A pivotal moment came in 1998 when Mahathir Mohamad, then Malaysia’s prime minister, imposed controls on capital outflows to spare the ringgit the fate of other south-east Asian currencies. The action’s effectiveness has been disputed, since it came as the regional crisis was abating.
Some said at the time that Malaysia was shutting the stable door just as the horse was trying to get back in. But a lack of apparent ill-effects from Mr Mahathir’s action caused a rethink about controls and particularly about measures such as Chile’s, designed to encourage longer-term flows, such as foreign direct investment, and discourage short-term “hot money”.
Subsequent research led by Kenneth Rogoff, a Harvard University academic who did a stint as the IMF’s chief economist, showed the benefits of capital account liberalisation to emerging market economies were, at best, unproven.
“These are very tough intellectual questions to which there are no crisp answers but there is a good case for emerging markets to limit inflows now to prevent a crisis in four or five years’ time,” Professor Rogoff says.
Yet while the academic centre of gravity has shifted, sometimes policy has been slower to move. The US for example, targeted even Chile’s light-touch controls in negotiations over a bilateral trade deal and continues to try to write strict limits on capital controls into such pacts.
“This is the legacy of a quasi-ideological position which wrongly equates free trade with liberalisation of the capital account,” says Jagdish Bhagwati, a leading trade economist from Columbia University, who has consistently criticised US policy in this area.
The IMF and many economists urge governments to try other means first, such as tighter fiscal policy and allowing the exchange rate to rise, before resorting to direct action. Even then, Prof Rogoff says, countries should choose more subtle interventions such as banking regulation rather than quantitative controls on outflows.
“Clearly capital flows can be used as an excuse, as they are in China and India, for financial repression – to protect domestic financial services sectors from competition and retard their development,” he says.
While the IMF may have brought the capital controls debate out into the open, it is unlikely to come to a neat and rapid conclusion.
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Nafta uuesti 91+... kevadeks siis 100?
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Maldur
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liitunud: 02.02.2007
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13.01.2011 01:18:14
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Lisan siia teile uudise Prantsusmaalt - http://www.france24.com/en/20110112-frances-alstom-ink-power-plant-deal-with-estonia
Niisiis 950 miljonit eurot hakkab omanikku vahetama ja seda nii vaikselt et Eesti meedia sellest (seni) ei kõssagi, rääkimata EE'st või Alstom'ist.
Saab näha millal seltsimehed teada annavad järgmistest maksudest - ega siis konnasööjad muidu ei ehita.
Ehitataks Narva, kokku 2 energiablokki kokku 600MW ja kivisöele.
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fallout3
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liitunud: 20.04.2005
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13.01.2011 02:02:17
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See, et riik EE-le 600MW suuruses uute energiaplokkide ehitamiseks raha annab, ei ole ju mingisugune pommuudis. Raha peaks tulema CO2-kvootide müümisest. Viimati arutles keegi selle üle siin artiklis: http://www.e24.ee/?id=370103
Aga lepingute sõlmimised ettevõtete vahel toimuvadki tavaliselt vaikselt, või ei?
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Maldur
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liitunud: 02.02.2007
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13.01.2011 10:29:19
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Tänud lingi eest.
Tsiteerin:"Miljard eurot on Eesti mõõtkavas ülisuur investeering, suurusjärku arvestades lausa gigainvesteering."
Ma saan aru kui EE riigihanke korras omale tualettpaberit ostab - vaikselt... Aga nn gigainesteeringut teha ilma et kasvõi kodukal oleks mingi uudisnupuke selle kohta, ma ei tea.
Kõik ei jõua kõiki uudised, artikleid lugeda, sestap kirjutasin. Pealegi, kui Prantsuse TV seda kavatsust tutvustab eetris, aga Eesti on vait kui sukk (sest hr Kolgi lugu on arvamus, mitte ettevõtja teadaanne), pidades oma kodanikke viimasteks saabasteks kellele polegi muud vaja teatada kui seda et EE sai võimaluse osta 30rulli perforeeritud tualettpaberit tänu hankele väga soodsalt.
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londiste
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13.01.2011 11:23:24
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fallout3
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Scart
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liitunud: 04.02.2002
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13.01.2011 11:29:21
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Selline uudis peaks olema e24, Delfi ja teiste saitide peauudis, mitte kusagil EE kodulehe tagaküljel kuuese fontiga.
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Ho Ho
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liitunud: 16.02.2002
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13.01.2011 11:38:55
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Selline uudis peaks olema e24, Delfi ja teiste saitide peauudis, mitte kusagil EE kodulehe tagaküljel kuuese fontiga. |
On sul pakkuda teooriaid miks see ei ole seal? Eriti ei tahaks uskuda, et k6ik kommerts-v2ljaanded on lihtsalt 2ra ostetud.
_________________ Teach a man to reason and he'll think for a lifetime
Common sense - so rare that it's a damn superpower
Vaadates paljude inimeste sõnavõtte siin ja mujal jääb üle ainult klassikuid tsiteerida - "I weep for humanity" |
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Scart
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liitunud: 04.02.2002
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13.01.2011 11:40:34
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On sul pakkuda teooriaid miks see ei ole seal? Eriti ei tahaks uskuda, et k6ik kommerts-v2ljaanded on lihtsalt 2ra ostetud. |
Ei, miks mul peaks olema?
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Maldur
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liitunud: 02.02.2007
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13.01.2011 11:42:45
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Selline uudis peaks olema e24, Delfi ja teiste saitide peauudis, mitte kusagil EE kodulehe tagaküljel kuuese fontiga. |
Just nimelt.
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ihvike
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liitunud: 01.04.2002
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13.01.2011 12:07:06
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Oli ju küll see uudis igal pool, ise magasite maha.
Detsembris http://www.e24.ee/?id=360785 Tänane on juba formaalsus. Ja samuti juba uudisena üleval.
viimati muutis ihvike 13.01.2011 12:09:15, muudetud 1 kord |
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lisa lemmikuks |
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sa ei või postitada uusi teemasid siia foorumisse sa ei või vastata selle foorumi teemadele sa ei või muuta oma postitusi selles foorumis sa ei või kustutada oma postitusi selles foorumis sa ei või vastata küsitlustele selles foorumis sa ei saa lisada manuseid selles foorumis sa võid manuseid alla laadida selles foorumis
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Hinnavaatlus ei vastuta foorumis tehtud postituste eest.
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