[Tomorrow]

Njah need kes ostavad Vista/7 jaoks peavad seda kontrollerit mõttetult kinni taguma.Kõik XP pärast
Muidugi võimalus kohe pärast ostu maha müüa ja osa raha tagasi saada, aga iseasi kas keegi ostab.

[SurfData]

niih, 3TB kohta XP taga saadeti selline info:

Kasutatav IDE-SATA kaart:

kiip:
ALI
M5283 AI
0410 TU05
AD0W621000D

Märge, mis arvatvasti tootmise aeg:
2003.04.14 ehk üle 7.5 aasta tagasi

Võimalik, et Firmvare vesrioon:
M5283C.PCB VER:1.1

Made in Taiwan

Sisaldab 1 IDE port, millele võimalik ühendada 2 IDE ketast ja 2 SATA porti, mis disainitud SATA1 jaoks.

RAID BIOS setup näeb, et ketas on 3 000 592 MB SATA1

Norton PartitionMagic Pro Server 8.05 nägi 2 097 148.2 MB ehk sisuliselt 2 TB

WD Lifeguard 5.04f diagnostics nägi mahuks 801 G

Aconis Disk Director leidis küll algtuvastamisel täpselt 2TB ketta, kuid kui sellega miskit teha püüda, siis tekkis katkestus ja teade:
FXSlider::setrange: Trying to set negative range.
ABNORMAL TERMINATION
Seega saatis suht pikalt

Norton PartitionMagic Pro Server 8.05 nägi küll 2 097 148.2 MB, kuid peale partitisooni loomise ja formati aktsepteerimist ning restarti andis sama programm tulemuseks Partition table error #110 found

Norton Disk Editor nägi ainult ketta algust suuruses ketta suurus miinus 2TB ehk 1 585 565 869 sektorit.

Püüe installida Windows 7 viis tulemuseni, et install ei leidnud ketast ja hakkas miskit kettanägemise installikat taga ajama, muideks seda ajas viimati taga vaid miski arhailine Windows XP (vist SP1 või varasem). Win98 ega 3.1 ei küsinud miskit lisa supporti IDE-SATA kaardile

Kokuvõtteks kogu käitumine väga saranane sellele, mida juba kuulsin ketta boxide kohta.



Eks nüüd täna õhtul vms proovin mida teeb ketas minu ~5-7 aastat vanas chronose sata boxis Aga jama hakkab nende usb boxidega olema, mis töötab ja mis ei tööta

Homme/ülehomme testin ka 3TB Hitachit

[AJ]

Seagate introduces the Barracuda Green SATA 6.0 Gbps hard drives
TechConnect Magazine

[SurfData]

@seagate....huvitav millal neil 3TB välja tulevad? Mäletan küll kui nad kiresid et teevad varsti 1TB ketta, kõige esimesena aga tegi hitachi. 3TB on ka seagate juba ammu ammu kisanud, et sel aastal tuleb, praeguseks on isegi meil saadaval 3TB WD ja 3TB Hitachi kettad. Seagate pole enda omasid väljagi kuulutanud (ok välised on, aga sisemisi kettaid mitte).


Mis puutub aga minu 3TB WD toimimist boxist siis tulemused on mõnes mõttes isegi head

Sai siis 3TB part peale tehtud ja suvalist läbu peale pandud ~1,5TB jagu, et juhul kui usb box näitab ainult 746gb, siis kas ja kuidas see data seal "ära hävineb" ja kas on pärast tavaarvutis uuesti nähtav jms. Masinas siis vista x64 ja sai ketas kõige asjadega pandud oma ~5-7 aastat vanasse odavasse chronose USB boxi. Üllatus oli aga meeldiv, kui KÕIK andmed ja asjad peal näha olid. Ka ketta suurus kõik täies mahus kasutatav Sai siis prooviks partitsioon ära kustutatud ja managmendi alt oli nähtaval kõik need 2794GB Siis tegin viimase proovi ning sellega jõudsingi teiste inimeste kogemuseni. Lülitasin boxi välja kus partitsioneerimata ketas sees. Uuesti sisse lülitades oli aga nähtaval ainult ketta algusest 746GB, ehk siis ketta TAGUMISEST otsast lõikas ta ära 2048GB ehk 2TB.

Seega kui plaan kasutada 3TB usb boxis...tehke ennem partitsioon peale ja kõikide eelduste kohaselt PEAKS toimima, minu 5+ aastat vana odav chronose box igatahes toimib nii

/edit siiski mu vana usb box üle 2,2TB seal peal andmeid ei näe, seega testige enne 3TB kettad boxis ära, kas viimased mõned sajad gigad on seal nähtavad või mitte.

[DVDRW]

See on küll hea uudis.

W7 32bit peaks olema sama tulemus, kuid XPga siis välist 3TB ketast ei näe, kuna ju GPT tabel?
Siis peaks see väline ketas töötama täies hiilguses igas suvalises W7 masinas?

[AJ]

[Tomorrow]

[SurfData]

noniih, nüüd on ka testitud 3TB ja 7200rpm hitachi. Hitachi on muideks ODAVAM mõned sajad kroonid kui WD (kuna tal puudub kontroller) ning ta on ka kiirem. Muidugi ketta ümbrise peal on olemas ka hoiatus suuremate kui 2,2TB ketaste kohta:

Spoiler

seetõttu ka NB! Hd Tune "näeb" ka 2199GB ainult täpselt nagu WD puhul!!!

Kiirused on päris nobedad:

Spoiler

HD tach quick:



HD Tach long:



HD Tune:



Crystal:

Ehk siis nobedaim traditsiooniline HDD

[1dumbpcuser]

Kuna teema nimi on kõvaketta soovitused ja jõulud tulemas, siis:

Playboy hard drive digitizes 56 years of stimulating 'reading'
CNet

[AJ]

New high areal density 2-and-3 TB Greens from WD
SilentPCReview

[toivos]

[SurfData]

[toivos]

[AJ]

Wd-lt ka SATA 6.0 kettad

Western Digital Announces Caviar Blue SATA 6.0 Gbps Hard Drives
Expreview

[SurfData]

[DVDRW]

Njh hinna tõttu pole sellest kettast asja, odavam ja kiirem on osta 2x2TB ja RAID0 panna

[Tomorrow]

Küll lähevad odavamaks kah
Ise üle 2TB ei vaata potensiaalsete raua probleemide tõttu.Ja kuna 2TB hind nüüd kukub siis igati hea

[AJ]

Seagate Reveals 1TB 2.5" Enterprise HDD: Constellation.2
HotHardware

Spoiler

tsitaat:

The hard drive war continues to wage on, particularly in the 2.5" space. This mobile sector is becoming more and more important as devices shrink and desktop use continues to slowly fade. Today, Seagate is making a big mark on the sector, introducing the first 1TB 2.5" enterprise HDD. The new drive is called te Constellation.2, and it's designed for server storage applications and offers a solid combination of high capacity, leading 6Gb/s performance, superior data integrity, and best-in-class low power consumption. It's tailor made for system builders and OEMs who want to offer competitive, feature-rich, bulk storage solutions, and is fit for use in a range of applications in Directed Attached Storage (DAS), Network Attached Storage (NAS) and Storage Area Network (SAN) environments, from small-to-midsized businesses to the largest enterprise data centers storing and hosting data to the cloud. SCOTTS VALLEY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Seagate (NASDAQ:STX) today introduced Constellation.2™, the industry’s first 2.5-inch enterprise-class hard drive to reach a record 1TB capacity. The Constellation.2 drive is designed for server storage applications and offers a solid combination of high capacity, leading 6Gb/s performance, superior data integrity, and best-in-class low power consumption. The Constellation.2 drive is designed for system builders and OEMs who want to offer competitive, feature-rich, bulk storage solutions for a sustainable future. The Constellation.2 drive is fit for use in a range of applications in Directed Attached Storage (DAS), Network Attached Storage (NAS) and Storage Area Network (SAN) environments, from small-to-midsized businesses to the largest enterprise data centers storing and hosting data to the cloud. “Data center managers continue to seek out more efficient storage technologies without sacrificing performance, while still meeting capacity growth requirements,” said John Rydning, research director for IDC. “Reaching the 1TB capacity in a small form factor design gives IT managers more options to meet capacity requirements with efficient storage platforms. IDC expects the use of capacity-optimized drives like Seagate’s 1TB Constellation.2™ to increase by more than 50% from 2010 to 2014.” The Constellation.2 drive is offered in capacity choices of 250GB, 500GB, and 1TB, and with 6Gb/s SATA or 6Gb/s SAS interface options. Its advanced second-generation design provides improved data integrity with the new T10 Protection Information standard and an increase in reliability (1.4 million hours MTBF). With a Self Encrypting Drive (SED) option, data security is covered throughout the entire drive lifecycle. “The Constellation.2™ underscores Seagate’s commitment to its customers to deliver industry-leading solutions that meet the demands of IT professionals today and tomorrow,” said Carla Kennedy, vice president of Product Line Management, Seagate. “With its class-leading reliability, record-breaking capacity, and improvements made along its entire range of features, Constellation.2™ drive is a perfect solution for dense server and storage systems.” “The enhanced capacity and reliability of the Seagate Constellation.2™ drives will help deliver even greater value to Dell’s customers focused on their ever-increasing storage needs,” said Lewie Newcomb, executive director, Storage Core Technologies, Dell. “The Dell PowerVault storage enclosures and PowerEdge servers are being enabled for even more powerful storage alternatives using these energy-efficient, capacity-optimized, and performance-enhanced 2.5-inch drives.” Dell expects to ship systems with this drive starting in late December. Seagate Unified Storage architecture delivers long-term business sustainability Constellation.2 family fits within the Seagate Unified Storage architecture, which converges best-of-breed technologies (Serial Attached SCSI, Small Form Factor and Self-Encrypting Drives) into a foundation for flexible, powerful and simple storage that boosts business and operational efficiency while reducing cost and complexity. Historically, the variety of drive interfaces, form factors and now, security solutions, can add complexity and cost for both IT professionals and OEMs – all which the Seagate Unified Storage architecture model resolves. Constellation.2 drives are currently shipping to OEMs and the worldwide distribution channel. For more information about the Constellation® family of drives, in addition to Seagate’s other enterprise storage solutions, visit www.seagate.com. Visit the Seagate Inside IT Storage blog or follow us on the Seagate Enterprise IT Twitter page for regular updates about enterprise storage.

[SurfData]

noniih, annan siis testimiste tulemustest teada mida siin 3TB veel teha sai, kuna oli oht mis eelmise LBA muutumisega toimub (et ketta alguses andmed üle kirjutatakse).

Kõigepealt sai siis ka proovitud seda 3TB hitachi ketast ühe odava (~300.- maksva) SATA-1 kontrolleri otsas. Kontroller siis silicon image kiviga SIL3114CTU QM6375.1-1

Kontroller ASUSE M4A785-M mobo külge ning sinna otsa ketas. Opsyss vista x64 ning asi TÖÖTAB Siis hakkas andmete paljundamine ja nende paljunduste paljundamine jne jne kuni ketas silmini täis (8,11MB jäi vaba ruumi). Kardetud tõrget 2,2TB peal ei tulnud. Peale restarti kõik andmed alles ja asi töötab (ehk siis see ~550gb mis 2,19TB üle jääb ei kirjutanud ketta alguse osa üle). Ketas otse mobo külge, kõik endiselt olemas. Ketas teise arvutisse otse mobo külge, samuti kõik endiselt olemas. Ehk siis osade inimeste kardetud andmete ülekirjutamist ja hävimist EI TOIMUNUD Samuti toimis ketas suvalise odava juustu sata-1 kontrolleriga ilma tõrgeteta. Nüüd on ainult üks asi veel tegemata...USB boxis see nullist silmini andmeid täis lasta, kuid kõikide eelduste kohaselt seal tõrkeid ei teki, aga väga kaua aega võtab küll

[rmc]

kui mingi odava kontrolleriga töötab, peaks otse mobo küljes ka toimima ?

[SurfData]

[DVDRW]

Et kui W7 32bit, siis lisakettana ei tohiks erilisi probleeme tekkida?

[SurfData]

[AJ]

Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB Review
t-break

[denis28]

[rmc]

Spoiler

denis28 kirjutas:

toivos kirjutas: SurfData kirjutas: toivos kirjutas: SurfData kirjutas: Kiirused on päris nobedad: Ehk siis nobedaim traditsiooniline HDD Kuna 2,2TB pealt toimub järsk kiiruse hüpe, siis sealt edasi testid sa ketta algust. seda küll, et nüüdsest oleks vaja uuemaid TASUTA programme ketaste testimiseks tänu sellele 2,2TB piirile. Samas jääb ta endiselt kiireimaks 7200rpm kettaks jupiks ajaks. See ei muuda fakti. Ketta lõpus olevat kiirust teada ei saa nende progedega, aga algusegi järgi on juba üle 150MB/s mida teised ei suuda. Samuti 2,2TB peal on kiirus veel 100MB/s, mis on küllaltki hää peaks mainima Küsimus ei ole ainult kiiruses, vaid petlikus illusioonis, et kõik nagu oleks korras. Piisab aga ainult süsteemil püüda kirjutada sinna 2,2TB tagusele alale, siis tegelikult kettale kirjutatakse hoopis algusesse. Kasutaja on võib-olla pikka aega istunud viitsütikuga pommi otsas ja kui ükskord sõber talle näiteks hunniku filme kettale kopeerib, siis hävib data ketta alguses. oot mismõttes, pmst üle 2,2tb muutub kettas mõttetuks ?

[SurfData]

NB Tähtis info kõikidele väliste usb boxide kasutajatele (eriti vanade boxide kasutajatele). Sinna sisse ärge pange 3TB kettaid, kus on andmeid rohkem kui 2,2TB peal....või kui tahate panna, siis testige ennem ära, kas USB box toetab. Nimelt minu ürgvana boxi sees nagu eelnevalt kirjutasin siis kui partitsioon oli peal, oli 3TB maht nähtaval. Nüüd sai testitud asja ka andmetega. Kui panna boxi 3TB ketas mis on andmeid täis, siis viimase 550gb (või 750gb) peal olevad andmed ei olnud kättesaadavad Kataloogide kohta osadele ütles inaccessible folder, osadesse lasi ligi. Kustutada samuti viimase osa peal olevaid asju ei saanud (ainult nähtaval olid).
Pärast sai ketas muidugi otse mobo külge pandud (s775 sata-II) ning win küsis kohe ketta skännimist ja fiximist enne kui kasutada. Sai see ära tehtud, probleeme ei olnud. Boxis inaccessible folderid olid kasutatavad ja ligipääsetavad. Mis seisus muidugi andmed olid ma öelda ei oska, kuna suvaline läbu oli ja kontrollida sellise asja töökorras olekut raske. Kustutada lasi seal siis juba ka neid asju.

Lihtsalt infoks siis, et olge ettevaatlikud ja testige enne oma boxi töökorda ja toimimist suurte ketastega

[bladerunner]

Ehk siis sinu enda 07.12 kirjutises olev "Ka ketta suurus kõik täies mahus kasutatav" ei vasta tõele.
Huvitav, kas mõni eraldiseisev 3TB toetav normaalse hinnaga USB box ka meil müügil on? st. ainult box, ilma kettata. Hetkel pistaks sinna 2TB sisse, hiljem suurema.

[SurfData]

[DVDRW]

[toivos]

[DVDRW]

Et siis w7 näitab ilusti capacity 3TB ja kui faile üle 2.2TB paned siis hakkab imelike asju juhtuma?

[toivos]

[DVDRW]

Surfdata-l oli 3TB andmeid juba enne ühendamist peal.

[AJ]

Hitachi develops 500GB 7mm-thick hard drive
TechConnect Magazine

Spoiler

tsitaat:

Earlier this week it went big with some 3TB drives and now Hitachi GST is going small, or rather slim, by introducing the 500GB, 320GB and 250GB Travelstar Z5K500 series 7mm-thick 2.5-inch hard drives. These single-platter HDDs operate at 5400 RPM, have 8MB of cache memory, a SATA 3.0 Gbps interface, consume 1.8W when reading/writing, are Advanced Format-ready (have 4kB sectors), feature a sound output of 2.1 bels during seeks and, optionally, will be available with bulk data encryption. The Travelstar Z5K500 drives are set to start shipping this month, with the 500GB model already being announced as the base for G-Technology's new G-Drive slim portable hard drive expected to become available in early 2011.

[DVDRW]

Siis peaks ka 9,5mm 1TB 2,5" HDD võimalik olema
Samsungil 9,5mm 3 platteriga, seega isegi 1,5TB tehniliselt võimalik

[AJ]

Hitachi's New Hard Drive Paves the Way for 4TB and 5TB HDDs.
X-bit labs

Spoiler

tsitaat:

Hitachi Global Storage Technologies (Hitachi GST) on Thursday announced a series of new single-platter 2.5" hard disk drives (HDD) that are based on the sixth-generation perpendicular magnetic recording (PMR) platters. The latter feature higher areal density than currently available drives and can thus enable 3.5" hard drives with 4TB or even 5TB capacities. Hitachi Travelstar Z5K500 hard disk drive comes in 2.5" form-factor and is just 7mm thick. The most important thing about this drive is that it is based on one 500GB sixth-generation PMR platter with 636Gb/inch2 areal density. The platters themselves will eventually enable 2.5" drives with 1TB or 1.5TB capacities with two or three platters inside. Moreover, 3.5" platters with 636Gb/inch2 areal density will have capacity of around 1TB, which means that it will be possible to create 4TB hard drives with four platters or even 5TB HDDs with five platters in the next twelve month, which is in line with expectations by analysts. The Travelstar Z5K family of hard drives offers 500GB, 320GB, 250GB capacities, 5400rpm spindle speed, 8MB cache buffer, Serial ATA-300 interface. The manufacturer declares 5.5ms average latency, 13ms average read seek time, 1.8W maximum power consumption during seek and 0.55W minimum power consumption in idle mode. “As the industry’s only 500GB one disk product and the only second generation 7mm product family, Hitachi continues to push the bar higher, and is leading the shift from 9.5mm 2.5" drives to 7mm 2.5" drives across a broad range of market segments," said Brendan Collins, vice president of product marketing at Hitachi GST. According to IDC, 500GB, mobile 2.5" hard drives represent 22% of the market today, with this capacity growing 42% annually from 2010 to 2013. Offered in a complete family of 500GB, 320GB and 250GB, which satisfies more than 77% of today’s capacity needs in the portable PC market, these drives are the industry’s only second-generation family of 5400rpm 7mm z-height drives, which are designed as a direct replacement for standard 2.5", 9.5mm drives in everything from external drives to laptops, netbooks and blade servers. All this combined puts the new Hitachi Travelstar Z5K500 drive family in the industry sweet spot of opportunity in the mobile 2.5" market, according to the company. “Ultra thin and light devices are, without argument, a growing trend. In order for these innovative designs to live up to their true potential, they need rugged, reliable high-capacity hard drives that can withstand the rigors of a portable environment and satisfy the storage demands of their end users, and Hitachi continues to deliver,” added Mr. Collins. All Hitachi Z-series 7mm drives feature common connectors and mounting points for standard integration into existing systems. The Travelstar Z5K500 drive family will also be offered in enhanced availability (EA) models in capacities of 320GB and 500GB, which are designed and fine-tuned for applications needing “always-on” protection in 24x7, low transaction environments including blade servers, network routers, video surveillance and compact RAID systems. The Travelstar Z5K500 family will be shipping to select distributors in December.

[SurfData]

[DVDRW]

[SurfData]

[rmc]

[Tomorrow]

[rmc]

no mul praeguse-d. tahaks just mingi 5 tb ketast, et kõik info ühte kohta saaks ja ilusti sorteeritud, etc., mille järel kõik backupida ja kopeerida vajalik osa infost ka teiste arvutite peale...

porni netu

[AJ]

Samsung EcoGreen & Western Digital Caviar Green
Hardwarelabs.de

E.
Intel updates storage driver to enable 2.2+ TB HDD support
TechConnect Magazine

Spoiler

tsitaat:

Intel has recently released an updated version of its RST (Rapid Storage Technology) driver which brings support for hard drives with more than 2.2TB of space, like the 3TB models introduced by Seagate, Western Digital and Hitachi. The RST 10.1.0.1008 driver is available here and it works with multiple Intel-based motherboards, up to those powered by the 5 Series chipsets. Intel warns though, that support for 2.2+ TB drives isn't the same with booting to such storage solutions. For that you'll need an operating system and UEFI BIOS that supports booting to a GPT partition.

E.
Hard Disk Drives Roundup: Winter 2010
X-bit labs

E.
Western Digital rolls out 720GB Scorpio Black 2.5-inch hard drive
TechConnect Magazine

Spoiler

tsitaat:

Western Digital has now expanded its Scorpio Black family of 2.5-inch hard drives through the release of a new model (WD7500BPKT) which provides 750GB worth of storage space. The 750GB drive has a SATA 3.0 Gbps interface, 16MB of buffer, and works at 7200 RPM (rotations per minute). "Our most demanding customers have come to expect "no compromises" from all of our Black series products," explains Matt Rutledge, vice president of product marketing for WD. "The new WD Scorpio Black drive does not disappoint, providing users of portable devices the necessary speed, significant storage and efficient power management needed to enjoy their favorite HD content, high resolution images, powerful office applications or gaming at home, in the office or on the road." The 750GB Scorpio Black features Advanced Format technology (4KB sectors), is backed by a five-year warranty, and bears a recommended price tag of $149

[SurfData]

mnjahh, kurb tõdemus on. Omal ajal 80-100€ maksnud Promise TX4 sata-300 PCI 4 pordine kontroller ei söö 3TB kettaid Sai reede õhtul testitud. Näeb ainult 746gb Sai proovitud et mujal 3TB part peale ja siis kontrolleri otsa ning 3tb datat peale koppama....lõpuks error ees ja enam vastu ei võta midagi ja vanad andmed pole ka kättesaadavad Seega peab kurbusega tõdema, et suvaline juust sata-1 kontroller mis maksab ~20 EURi sööb 3TB kettaid ja kordi rohkem maksnud sata-II kontra seda ei tee Tootja kodukalt vaadates on bios sama mis kontral 38.94KB 1.00.0.34 Windows 4/8/2005

Seega tasub siiski vanade kontrolleritega ettevaatlik olla. Ma pean nüüd sellise kontra endal millegi asisema vastu välja vahetama

[AJ]

Seagate Constellation.2 1TB 2.5-inch SATA Hard Drive
Tweak Town

[DVDRW]

Height 14,8mm Ma juba lootsin.
Miks küll ei viitsita toota 9,5mm 1TB 2,5" ketast
1 platteriga 500GB 2,5" ju olemas.

[AJ]

Western Digital "Evaluates" Feasibility of Hybrid Disk Drives.
X-bit labs

Spoiler

tsitaat:

Manufacturers of hard disk drives (HDDs) have traditionally been very conservative in various ways due to the fact that their products are mission critical for many customers. As a result, companies like Hitachi, Seagate or Western Digital are working hard to make their drives as reliable as possible. However, the approach of leading edge HDD companies towards solid-state drives (SSDs) seems to be over-conservative. Apart from Samsung Electronics and Toshiba Corp., which are the world's largest makers of flash memory, neither of leading-edge makers of hard disk drives - Hitachi, Seagate and Western Digital - still have not unveiled broad lineups of solid-state drives for consumers. By contrast, various suppliers of dynamic random access memory (DRAM) have already launched large families of SSDs. Apparently, Western Digital simply does not believe in SSDs for consumers, despite of the fact that many notebooks nowadays utilize solid-state drives instead of hard drives. "We have taken a look at and in fact shipped product into the SSD, in the client environment, and we do not find a compelling value proposition there either for manufacturer or for customer because the economics do not work. The cost of the storage/performance is too high," said John Coyne, chief executive officer of Western Digital, during the most recent conference call with financial analysts. Seagate Technologies has already introduced a so-called hybrid disk drive (HHD), which contains a rotating media as well as a large flash-based cache. The company believes that in five years up to 80% of its products will be HHDs. Western Digital is also evaluating feasibility of hybrid drives. "We also continue to evaluate the opportunity to combine rotating magnetic storage with flash into hybrid solutions. [...] [At present] we look at client environment and look at what might be an attractive offering that combine the best of both worlds in terms of the performance of solid state with the capacity of rotating media, [...] which [would] provide an accessible price point," said Mr. Coyne. Apparently, in order to ensure high performance of HHDs, support from operating system is needed to provide truly high performance. "We look out into the future where such a device would be supported by operating system capability, which it is not really supported well today. As we look at that over the next couple of years, we see an emerging opportunity for such a device family to offer performance capacity and value," concluded Mr. Coyne.

[Tomorrow]

[real]

Võib seal midagi pistmist olla toiteka või emaplaadiga, seoses sellega, et hiljuti läks juba teine kõvaketas läbi. Mõlemad on olnud identsed samsungi sata kettad. Esimene kestis 4,5a, teise ostsin kasutatult ja kestis mul 9 kuud. Mõlemaga muutus arvuti mega aeglaseks ja pilt tõksus. Format ei aidanud.