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raitl
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15.06.2010 20:59:53
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Ehk on keegi seda teed juba käinud ja oskab nõu anda.
Nimelt kodus erinevad arvutid ja HTPC-d mida ühendab MythTV. Nüüd on master backendil sees ka Hauppauge HVR4000. Samuti jookseb masinas NewCS ning Cccam mis suhtlevad kaadilugejas Viasati kaardiga. Jänni olen jäänud reaalse dekodeerimise poolega. Proovisin sasc-ng'd kuid edutult. MythTV ei suuda suhelda virtuaalse DVB'ga.
Hetkel pikemat infot panema ei hakkaks. uuriks eelnevalt kas on kedagi, kes võiks antud teemas kodus olla.
PS. Vabu kanaleid näitab ilusti.
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sasc-ng + NewCS + MythTV Debianis kasutusel ja toimib. Tõsi, tegu on küll DVB-T-ga.
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hmm...aga võrdleks sasc-ng + MythTV setuppi?
Milliste võtmetega sasc-ng'd käivitad?
Kas kasutasid opensasc-ng või sasc-ng pluginat? Ning millise tutoriali järgi asi toimis (kui kasutasid tutorialit)
Viskan õhtul oma sasc-ng outputi kah siia üles võrdluseks.
'nii, toon siis ära erinevate programmide outputi. Ning finaaliks siis mythbackendi kurb kaeblemine et DVB devicet ei suudeta avada.
lotm@Medialord:~$ CCcam -C /var/etc/CCcam.cfg -v -d
20:42:34.035 CCcam: ======================================================================
20:42:34.035 CCcam: starting CCcam 2.1.1 compiled on Apr 30 2009@23:36:30
20:42:34.035 CCcam: ======================================================================
20:42:34.035 CCcam: online using nodeId c30586a2d5c62a71
20:42:34.038 CCcam: create 1 cam device(s)
20:42:34.039 CCcam: added 557 keys from /var/keys/SoftCam.Key
20:42:34.040 CCcam: added 435 keys from /var/keys/AutoRoll.Key
20:42:34.040 CCcam: static cw not found or bad
20:42:34.040 CCcam: parsed 1 entries from /var/etc/CCcam.prio
20:42:34.042 CCcam: added 1274 provider names from /var/etc/CCcam.providers
20:42:34.255 CCcam: added 8983 channel names from /var/etc/CCcam.channelinfo
20:42:34.255 CCcam: server started on port 113
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lotm@Medialord:~$ newcs -C /home/lotm/install/newcs/newcs.xml -nd
This is NewCS 1.67 RC1 [Build: 95] - the New CardServer by the Butter-team..
Compiled on Jul 14 2009 at 12:13:18
Reading Config file from /home/lotm/install/newcs/newcs.xml
TCP-log password is enabled, set to: paroool
TCP-log set to advanced mode
level: spam
type: all
output: tcp
logger config: level 3 type 255 output 4
TCP log options: level 1 type 255
newcamd: main loop
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lotm@Medialord:/usr/local/src/sc/contrib/sasc-ng$ sudo sasc-ng --cam-budget --sid-allpid -j 0:1
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 : Version: 0.0.2-1cc3497be31c+
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM: initializing plugin: SoftCam (1.0.0pre-HG-1cc3497be31c+): A software emulated CAM
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(general.info): SC version 1.0.0pre-HG-1cc3497be31c+ initializing (VDR 1.6.0)
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM: starting plugin:
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(general.info): SC version 1.0.0pre-HG-1cc3497be31c+ starting (VDR 1.6.0)
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(core.load): ** Plugin config:
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(core.load): ** Key updates (AU) are enabled (active CAIDs) (no prestart)
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(core.load): ** Local systems DON'T take priority over cached remote
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(core.load): ** Concurrent FF recordings are NOT allowed
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(core.load): ** Force transfermode with digital audio
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(core.load): ** ECM cache is set to enabled
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(core.load): ** ScCaps are 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(general.info): loading cardclient config from ./sc_files/cardclient.conf
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.cccam2): logout from server initiated
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): reader thread stopped
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): network shut down
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): logout done
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.core): hostname=12.168.10.51 port=113 emm=1 emmCaids 1700/ff00
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.core): cccam2: username=lotm password=lord
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.core): our nodeid: 67 c6 69 73 51 ff 4a ec
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.core): pretended CCcam version '2.0.11' build '2892'
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.core): client 'cccam2' ready
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.cccam2): logout from server initiated
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): reader thread stopped
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): network shut down
Jun 16 20:42:56.761 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): logout done
Jun 16 20:42:56.762 CAM(core.net): connecting to 12.168.10.51:113/tcp (12.168.10.51)
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(core.net): socket: select timed out (20000 ms)
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(general.error): socket: connect timed out
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.cccam2): logout from server initiated
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): reader thread stopped
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): network shut down
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): logout done
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.core): hostname=gozno.homeip.net port=12000 emm=1 emmCaids 1700/ff00
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.core): cccam2: username=thucar password=jager2
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.core): our nodeid: 29 cd ba ab f2 fb e3 46
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.core): pretended CCcam version '2.0.11' build '2892'
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.core): client 'cccam2' ready
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.cccam2): logout from server initiated
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): reader thread stopped
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): network shut down
Jun 16 20:43:16.782 CAM(cardclient.cccam2extra): logout done
Jun 16 20:43:16.931 CAM(core.net): connecting to gozno.homeip.net:12000/tcp (85.164.153.100)
Jun 16 20:43:36.937 CAM(core.net): socket: select timed out (20000 ms)
Jun 16 20:43:36.937 CAM(general.error): socket: connect timed out
Jun 16 20:43:36.937 CAM(general.error): failed open ./sc_files/SoftCam.Key: No such file or directory
Jun 16 20:43:36.937 CAM(general.error): failed open ./sc_files/smartcard.conf: No such file or directory
Jun 16 20:43:36.937 CAM(general.error): failed open ./sc_files/cardslot.conf: No such file or directory
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(general.error): failed open ./sc_files/override.conf: No such file or directory
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(general.error): no keys loaded for softcam!
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** registered systems:
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Cardclient (pri -15)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Conax (pri -10)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** ConstCW (pri -20)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Cryptoworks (pri -10)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Irdeto (pri -10)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Irdeto2 (pri -8)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Nagra (pri -10)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Nagra2 (pri -10)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Fake-NDS (pri -12)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** SC-Conax (pri -5)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** SC-Cryptoworks (pri -5)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** SC-Irdeto (pri -5)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** SC-Nagra (pri -5)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** SC-Seca (pri -5)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** SC-Viaccess (pri -5)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** SC-VideoGuard2 (pri -5)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Seca (pri -10)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** @SHL (pri -10)
Jun 16 20:43:36.938 CAM(core.load): ** Viaccess (pri -10)
Jun 16 20:43:37.939 frontend: Starting thread on /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend1
The thread scheduling parameters indicate:
policy = 0
priority = 0
Jun 16 20:43:37.940 demux: Starting thread on /dev/dvb/adapter1/demux1
The thread scheduling parameters indicate:
policy = 0
priority = 0
Jun 16 20:43:37.942 dvr: Starting thread on /dev/dvb/adapter1/dvr1
The thread scheduling parameters indicate:
policy = 1
priority = 99
Jun 16 20:43:37.943 : Listening on port 5456
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lotm@Medialord:~$ mythbackend
2010-06-16 20:50:18.779 mythbackend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [24158] www.mythtv.org
2010-06-16 20:50:18.780 Using runtime prefix = /usr
2010-06-16 20:50:18.780 Using configuration directory = /home/lotm/.mythtv
2010-06-16 20:50:18.801 Empty LocalHostName.
2010-06-16 20:50:18.801 Using localhost value of Medialord
2010-06-16 20:50:18.817 Testing network connectivity to '192.168.10.51'
2010-06-16 20:50:18.845 New DB connection, total: 1
2010-06-16 20:50:19.053 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.10.51
2010-06-16 20:50:19.053 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'
2010-06-16 20:50:19.197 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.10.51
2010-06-16 20:50:19.265 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1254
2010-06-16 20:50:19.267 MythBackend: Starting up as the master server.
2010-06-16 20:50:19.298 New DB connection, total: 2
2010-06-16 20:50:19.456 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.10.51
2010-06-16 20:50:19.569 TVRec(1) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'.
2010-06-16 20:50:25.096 New DB connection, total: 3
2010-06-16 20:50:25.222 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.10.51
2010-06-16 20:50:25.249 New DB connection, total: 4
2010-06-16 20:50:25.381 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.10.51
2010-06-16 20:50:26.234 ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs():
Could not get inputs for the capturecard.
Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video
sources to your card's inputs?
2010-06-16 20:50:26.245 TVRec(2) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'.
2010-06-16 20:50:26.245 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.296 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.346 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.397 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.447 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.497 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.548 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.598 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.648 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.698 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.749 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.799 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.849 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.900 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:26.950 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.000 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.051 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.101 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.151 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.201 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Device or resource busy (16)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.202 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.
2010-06-16 20:50:27.204 DVBChan(3:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Operation not permitted (1)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.205 DVBChan(3:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.
2010-06-16 20:50:27.207 DVBChan(4:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Operation not permitted (1)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.207 DVBChan(4:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.
2010-06-16 20:50:27.209 DVBChan(5:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Operation not permitted (1)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.210 DVBChan(5:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.
2010-06-16 20:50:27.211 DVBChan(6:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Operation not permitted (1)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.211 DVBChan(6:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.
2010-06-16 20:50:27.212 DVBChan(7:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Operation not permitted (1)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.212 DVBChan(7:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.
2010-06-16 20:50:27.212 DVBChan(8:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Operation not permitted (1)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.212 DVBChan(8:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.
2010-06-16 20:50:27.213 DVBChan(9:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
eno: Operation not permitted (1)
2010-06-16 20:50:27.213 DVBChan(9:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.
2010-06-16 20:50:27.213 MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database.
Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions?
2010-06-16 20:50:27.352 Enabling Upnpmedia rebuild thread.
2010-06-16 20:50:28.559 Main::Registering HttpStatus Extension
2010-06-16 20:50:28.560 Enabled verbose msgs: important general
2010-06-16 20:50:28.625 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min
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Mulle jääb praegu arusaamatuks milleks sulle Cccam. NewCS loeb kaart ja sasc-ng loob loopback adapteri ning dekrüpteerib.
Kasutan mingi vene foorumi tüübi patchitud sasc-ng-d(http://85.17.209.13:6100/sc) 2.6.32 kerneliga debian unstables. Ubuntu lucid pakid.
sasc-ng käivitub nii:
| sasc-ng -j 0:4 -j 1:5 -j 2:6 -j 3:7 -p 5456 -l /var/log/sasc-ng.log --sid-filt 16 -d 0 --sid-nocache -- cam-budget --cam-dir /etc/sasc-ng" |
cardclient.conf on selline:
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newcs.xml on selline:
?xml version="1.0"?>
<newCSconfig>
<globals>
<listening-ip>127.0.0.1</listening-ip>
</globals>
<readers name="3310">
<device>
<name>3310</name>
<type>pcsc</type>
<mhz>600</mhz>
<node>pcci</node>
<infinity_number>0</infinity_number>
<slot>0</slot>
<parity>odd</parity>
<reset>normal</reset>
<export>Yes</export>
<enabled>Yes</enabled>
<blocksa>No</blocksa>
<blockua>No</blockua>
<blockga>No</blockga>
<crypto-special>No</crypto-special>
<PTShandshake>Yes</PTShandshake>
<carddetect>yes</carddetect>
<newcamd_port>34300</newcamd_port>
<autosid>Yes</autosid>
<Seca-PPV>no</Seca-PPV>
<pincode>0000</pincode>
<sid>
<allow>
<id></id>
</allow>
<deny>
<id></id>
</deny>
</sid>
<priority>round</priority>
</device>
</readers>
<cache>
<emm>20</emm>
<ecm>-1</ecm>
</cache>
<debug>
<level>normal</level>
<type>init</type>
<output>all</output>
<logfile>/var/log/newcs</logfile>
<console_options></console_options>
<file_options></file_options>
<udp_host></udp_host>
<udp_port></udp_port>
<udp_options></udp_options>
<tcp_port></tcp_port>
<tcp_options></tcp_options>
</debug>
<newcamdserver>
<enabled>Yes</enabled>
<name>newcs</name>
<deskey>0102030405060708091011121314</deskey>
<user>
<name>dummy</name>
<password>dummy</password>
<spider>off</spider>
<sidoverride>off</sidoverride>
<au>on</au>
</user>
</newcamdserver>
</newCSconfig>
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Praegu ei suuda, sul mythbackend kumbagi adapterit avada, ma ei saa aru kuidas sa vabu kanaleid näed.
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Üritasin kasutada ainult virtuaalset adapterit katsetamiseks.
Aga võrdlen õhtul kodus conffe ja jätel Cccam'i välja valemist.
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Antud teema on seadusevastane kuna vastavalt Viasati kodukasutaja lepingutingimustele (http://www.viasat.ee/telli-viasat/lepingutingimused/) on viasati kaardi kasutamine lubatud AINULT Viasati poolt heakskiidetud VideoGuard Vastuvõtjas (p.3.3). Vastavalt Karistusseadustiku § 225. Autoriõiguse ja autoriõigusega kaasnevate õiguste rikkumist takistava tehnilise kaitsemeetme kõrvaldamine on keelatud kasutada teemas mainitud meetodit Viasati edastava programmi avamiseks ja vaatamiseks.
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Jumal tänatud, et selle lepingupunkti siin välja tõid - järgmine kord kui mõni viashithead mulle jälle seda paska kaela määrida üritatab, on hea vastu põrutada, et "Viasati ajuvabad lepingutingimused on intelligentsele inimesele vastuvõetamatud."
Aitäh!
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| Andrus Luht kirjutas: |
Vastavalt Karistusseadustiku § 225. Autoriõiguse ja autoriõigusega kaasnevate õiguste rikkumist takistava tehnilise kaitsemeetme kõrvaldamine on keelatud kasutada teemas mainitud meetodit Viasati edastava programmi avamiseks ja vaatamiseks.
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Paluks puust ja punaselt: kuidas rikub Viasati kaardiga Viasati programmi vaatamine autoriõigusi?
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Andrus Luht
itimees.ee
liitunud: 11.06.2002
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Dogbert
HV Guru
liitunud: 03.05.2004
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18.06.2010 17:17:13
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| Andrus Luht kirjutas: |
Dogbert, kui lepingutingimused on vastuvõetamatud siis pole vaja 'intelligentsel inimesel' nendega nõustuda ja lepingut sõlmida, või mis?
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Aga seda ma ju just ütlesingi. Kas minu ütlusest oli kuidagi teisiti võimalik aru saada? No sel juhul palun vabandust ja üritan edaspidi selgemini väljenduda.
Minu repliik oli ajendatud sellest, et mulle ja minu pensionäridest vanematele (ja kindasti veel väga paljudele inimestele) helistatakse üsna regulaarselt - peaaegu iga kuu - ja pakutakse Viasatti. Kui ütled, et ei taha, siis kukutakse pärima, et miks ikka ei taha jne. Nüüd on "ma ei taha" vastusest tunduvalt parem vastus olemas: lepingutingimused on vastuvõetamatud ja punkt.
Aitäh, minu jutt on selleks korraks sellel teemal ammendatud. Kes sai aru, sai aru, kes ei saanud - sorry! Lihtsamini enam seletada ei oska.
Igatahes aitäh väärt info eest.
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