Oi jubedust, ütleks selle peale isegi. Vahepeal siin isegi siis raske lugeda, kui paar lehte peale tulnud, kui teksti palju. _________________ Tsensuur HinnaVaatluse foorumis
keegi võiks välja tuua, mis on eestis olevad usaldusväärsemad pangad? kellel ei oleks mõnda haput tehingut tehtud, nagu hansal välja tuli. _________________ .....
The Greek government has issued a blanket guarantee of all bank deposits after panic withdrawals by customers in Athens and Thessaloniki, creating an unstoppable stampede across Europe for an EU-wide bail of the financial system.
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namstoop kirjutas:
Scart, no ma lihtsalt oota huviga kuidas _KÕIK_ ameerika pangad ja _ENAMIK_ Euroopa panku lähipäevil pankrotti lähevad. icon_rolleyes.gif
Simply amazing. The balance sheet is at $1.5 TRILLION. It was at $900B four weeks ago. 66% increase. When a balloon full of shit pops, what does it look like? We're going to find out sooner or later....
The Treasury has lent the Fed $184.667B more this week, for a 2 week total of $344.473B
When was the TSLF limit upped from $200B? They lent out $47.929B more Treasuries, for a grand running total of $233.565 in the TSLF. The Fed has now lent out more T-bills to brokers than it HAD IN STOCK when the TSLF started in March.
Simply amazing statistics.
The Fed is not the lender of last resort. It's the only lender in town. And the banks will dump their shit there until the Treasury passes the bill to buy it from them.
täna juba 1 küsis, et tea, kas peaks swed ist seb i kolima. muide hansapanka ei ole meil enam
AS Hansapank on täitsa olemas. äriregistri kande muudatus tehakse järgmisel aastal alles. "turundusnimi" on jah Swedbänk
põhjamaades on suuremad pangad muidu Nordea ja Danske. võib ju nendesse kolida, aga Swed jääb ka püsima. ei ole probleemi. hetkel. _________________ The sh*t has hit the fan.
It's settlement time on those humungous insurance policies for corporate debt, called credit default swaps, which I've mentioned to you as being another potentially lethal flaw in the financial economy.
In the coming three weeks, payouts of hundreds of billions of dollars may be made - or at least demanded - to cover losses arising from the defaults on the debt of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman and Washington Mutual.
Tegu on 62 triljoni dollari turuga ja kaotuseid ennustatakse suurusjärgus 4-5 triljonit taala. Bailout this?
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Hääletamine siis on täna, peaks olema kell 19.30 meie aja järgi.
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As I write this I dont know the outcome of the attempt to ram through legislation for looting the US Treasury of $700 billion before the end of the Bush administration. I suspect that Congress will force the passage of the bill in some form because the media and political narrative on the necessity of the measure is unremitting and so horribly biased.
No alternatives will be considered.
No constraints on the unilateral executive authority of Hank Paulson will be considered.
No assurances that funds will be used to unlock credit markets or promote lending to the real economy (as opposed to the financial robber barons) will be considered.
Instead, the bill will get laden with an additional 300 pages of pork to sway the dissenters, adding to the tab imposed on the American taxpayer.
Having listened to all 42 minutes of the late night Treasury briefing of investment banks on Sunday, there is no doubt in my mind that this legislation represents the sort of federal largesse for Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Citibank and JPMorgan Chase that the Iraq war provided for Halliburton and Blackwater.
Nafta pole orgaanilistest ainetest tekkinud ja on taastuv maavara, seega enamus hinnatõusu on meediaga saavutatud. _________________ "Olukord on sitt, aga see on meie tuleviku väetis." - Lennart Meri
"Edu on kehv õpetaja. See ahvatleb tarku inimesi mõtlema, et nad ei saagi kaotada" - B. Gates
Ma ei saa aru, oli see asjatundmatusest öeldud või meelega provotseerimiseks?
tsitaat:
Crude oil is a naturally occurring, flammable liquid found in rock formations in the Earth consisting of a complex mixture of hydrocarbons of various molecular weights, plus other organic compounds.
tsitaat:
The majority of hydrocarbons found naturally occur in crude oil, where decomposed organic matter provides an abundance of carbon and hydrogen which, when bonded, can catenate to form seemingly limitless chains.
Hehe, tundub et Noname'l on igav ja soovib verd ja soolikaid näha
Muidu kas tollele teooriale mingeid enam-vähem asjalikke seletusi ka on? _________________ Teach a man to reason and he'll think for a lifetime
Common sense - so rare that it's a damn superpower
Vaadates paljude inimeste sõnavõtte siin ja mujal jääb üle ainult klassikuid tsiteerida - "I weep for humanity"
U.S. Congress passes $700 billion bailout plan
The U.S. House of Representatives has passed the revised version of $700 billion bank bailout plan intended to bolster the ailing U.S. financial system. The House rejected the original bill on Monday, sending stocks tumbling around the world. full story
Meenutades ühte muidu vägagi halba filmi: "So this is how liberty dies - with thunderous applause."
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It is now clear that the US financial system - and now even the system of financing of the corporate sector - is now in cardiac arrest and at a risk of a systemic financial meltdown. I dont use these words lightly but at this point we have reached the final 12th step of my February paper on The Risk of a Systemic Financial Meltdown: 12 Steps to a Financial Disaster (Step 9 or the collapse of the major broker dealers has already widely occurred).
Yesterday Thursday a senior market practitioner in a major financial institution wrote to me the following:
Situation Report: So far as I can tell by working the telephones this morning:
* LIBOR bid only, no offer.
* Commercial paper market shut down, little trading and no issuance.
* Corporations have no access to long or short term credit markets -- hence they face massive rollover problems.
* Brokers are increasingly not dealing with each other.
* Even the inter-bank market is ceasing up.
This cannot continue for more than a few days. This is the economic equivalent to cardiac arrest. Then we debated what is necessary to restart the system.
Mina, kui selle teema igapäevane jälgija olen vist mööda lasknud selle posti, kus selgitatakse, et miks USA'st võib peale bail-out'i rääkida minevikus?
Scart, või keegi pädevam, äkki saaks kahe kokkuvõtva lausega selgitatud? _________________ Every version of the garment appears to be sold out online, with prospective shoppers given the opportunity to join a waitlist.
Scart, või keegi pädevam, äkki saaks kahe kokkuvõtva lausega selgitatud?
Kas ma mitte ei linkinud täna juba seletavat teksti?
Clearly what is going on here has nothing to do with kick starting the credit markets or stabilising the equity markets or restoring depositor confidence in banks. (Treasury official: No provision in the legislation that mandates re-lending.) What is going on here is a blatant attempt to provide government funds to a select cadre of firms (not all banks) which are chosen to be the survivors feasting off the carcasses of their less fortunate and less well-connected brethren as the downturn intensifies in the years to come.
The crash in equities will still happen. The debt deflation of the economy leading to mass commercial and consumer credit defaults will still happen. The collapse of many national, regional and local financial institutions will still happen. The bankruptcy of many municipalities and shortfalls in state budgets will still happen.
This bill is about engineering survivor bias to friends of the Bush administration so that they profit disproportionately from the collapse of these markets using the funds provided by the taxpayer via the unreviewable and unconditional authority of the Secretary of the Treasury.
The basic plan is to set up a federal money laundering operation. Bad assets come in, get laundered by the Treasury and put in a new AAA wrapper (as its termed on the call), and good assets go out, issued as Treasury guaranteed securities. Whether the final value of the legislation this week is $700 billion or $150 billion is irrelevant as long as the laundering operation can accommodate the throughput, as that number is only a cap on total extensions at any one time.
See bill ei ole mõeldud elustama USA majandust ja finantse. See bill pole mõeldud olema päästeparv uppuvatele pankadele ja riigile. See bill on viimane võimalus teatud seltskonnal endale niipalju pappi kantida, kui veel saab, et siis kaduda. USA kräshib, USA pangad kräshivad, USA dollar kaob - tsaar Hanki see ei huvita ja nagu tõestasid edukalt mõlemad kojad see nädal, ei huvita see ka seniilseid idiootidest rahvaesindajaid.
USA maksumaksja reaalselt tööga välja teeninud rahaga hakatakse pesema triljoneid dollareid halbu laenu ja muud sellist pahna ja see viib ainult sinna, kuhu hetkel kihutatakse.
carlking: Üks tuntud variant on selline, et see "Päästeplaan" tegelikult ei päästa eriti midagi, kuna jutt on 700 miljardist, kuid see on tegelikult vajadusest kõvasti väiksem. Et tegelik vajadus on / või oleks triljonites dollarites. Ning et sellise raha võtmist "rahva taskust" rahvas kindlasti välja ei kannataks.
WASHINGTON - President Bush has signed into law a far-reaching $700 billion bill to bail out the nation's tottering financial industry, shortly after it won final approval from Congress.
Kahjuks pole neil aga tavaliste inimeste jaoks aega:
(CNN) -- A 90-year-old Akron, Ohio, woman who shot herself as sheriff's deputies tried to evict her from her foreclosed home became a symbol of the nation's home mortgage crisis Friday.
Ähvardavad ,et kui "billi" vastu ei võta siis tuleb "Martial law" (is the system of rules that takes effect when the military takes control of the normal administration of justice.)
Less than two weeks after Uncle Sam gave American International Group (AIG) an $85 billion loan - staving off financial collapse - execs from one of its insurance subsidiaries, AIG American General, gathered for a conference at the uber-swank St. Regis Monarch Beach Resort, billed as Californias only Mobil Travel Guide Five-Star Resort, where ocean-view rooms start at $565 a night and world class luxury is the rule.
Tänu reitingu langemisele on AIG hetkel halvema olukorraga, kui enne sinna raha loopimist. Tasus ära.
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Et valimised ikka "õige" mehe pukki paneks, teeme igaks juhuks niimoodi
Euroopa Liidus väheb (vist) varsti löömaks, kuna ainult suuremate / juhtivate EL-riikide juhid istuvad koos ja arutavad "finantsprobleeme". Soome juba hädaldas, et EL-suurriigid on EL-väikeriigid kõrvale jätnud 8)
Wachovia bank has frozen the accounts of nearly 1,000 colleges, leaving institutions unable to access billions of dollars they depend on for salaries, campus construction, and debt payments.
The freeze, which affects most institutions that invest their endowment income and other assets through Commonfund, has some colleges worried that they wont be able to make payroll this period, said Verne O. Sedlacek, president and chief executive of Commonfund, which manages investments for nonprofit institutions. Many colleges use the organization's short-term investment fund for operating expenses, almost as a checking account, he said.
As of last Friday, the Common Fund for Short Term Investments managed approximately $9.3-billion in assets for 900 colleges and roughly 100 private schools.
Wachovia, which agreed to sell its banking operations to Citigroup this week, announced on Monday that it was resigning as trustee of the fund and would allow plan participants to withdraw only 10 percent of their assetsthe value of the securities that had reached maturity. That percentage grew to 26 percent on Tuesday as additional securities reached maturity, and is expected to reach 57 percent by the end of this year and 74 percent by the end of 2009.
But unless the credit markets thaw, enabling a new trustee to sell more of the short-term securities in the fund, colleges wont be able to access all their money until at least 2010.
Ja ei olegi vaja! Äkki need pagana koolid teevad sellega midagi arukat, musta augu rahaga täitmise asemel.
Mis ma selle kõige kohta ütlen!
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"PROBLEEM-REAKTSIOON-LAHENDUS"
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11. septembri rünnakud olid Probleem - Reaktsioon - Lahendus tehnika klassikaline näidening "lahendused" kavandati ammu enne seda, kui lennukid kaksiktornidesse sööstsid.
See on 50-50. Olen näinud ka selleteemalist filmi, mis paneb asja ikka väga uskuma(, et oli inside job), aga siiski usun, et need jutud on BS ja rahateenimise eesmärgil. _________________ Tsensuur HinnaVaatluse foorumis
See on 50-50. Olen näinud ka selleteemalist filmi, mis paneb asja ikka väga uskuma(, et oli inside job), aga siiski usun, et need jutud on BS ja rahateenimise eesmärgil.
Sõbrad, ärge saage nüüd minust valesti aru, aga meil on 9/11 kohta juba oma teema siin foorumis ning antud temaatikat meie siinsesse threadi sisse tuues segame me korralikult niigi sogast vett.
Kohapealt ühe FEMA tegelase kommentaarid seoses Ike'ga.
Seabrook Texas--
The community is reporting 800 missing families. These were people who were known to have stayed.
Matagorda all the way to LA...
Battered to toothpicks. From the beach in land to 7 miles.
Few structures left intact enough to call "remodel" "repair". 99% of all buildings are complete re-builds. The real report is 4200 bodies recovered in the water. 300 more not recovered-total so far known dead/missing bodies, is 4500.
7-10 miles inland--
80% of all structures have damage. We are stripping the first 4' of sheetrock(flooding)to the struts. All flooring, many roofs. Trees and power lines are still being repaired.
Most of the "media" reports that dealt with Center point misled, they just didn't tell you they were not repaired but jury-rig to get power up. Some wires are on roofs and hanging to the ground so cars can pass over. This stretches for hundreds of miles along the coast. Every town was hit. The inlets and bays got it worse because of the water bore. Height at that point exceeded 20'.
10-25 miles inland--
Damage still to power lines. Trees still down. Most of the homes escaped major damage. Rate of structural repair drops significantly--2-4%.
25-35--inclusive of Houston...
Power outage to Houston small residential sections was the longest to repair. Reason: Houses are so close together that the trees fell on the houses and the power lines without fail. In order to repair they had to use cranes MOST of the time to lift large pieces of tree and pole OVER THE HOUSE to get them IN and OUT of the close packed yards.
Meeldiv teada, et massimeedia on taaskord tasemel asja kajastamisel. Oot korra....
Ei saa linki- see on ühe mu meiliaadressi postkastis ja seda ma teile küll ei lingi
Tegu on kirjaga inimese poolt keda ma tean aastaid ja kes niisama jura ei levita - mina usun teda täiesti. Bailouti keerutamine ja sellega kaasnenud pressihüsteeria on minu jaoks enam kui piisav tõestus, et toimub täielik infoblokaad. Juba väga mitu kuud on MSM täiesti eba-adekvaatne allikas suurema osa asjade suhtes, mida nad kajastavad.
Ahjaa, Mehhiko raadiod räägivad sellest, kuidas mere äärest leitakse lademetes igasugu rämpsu ja inimesi ja nende tükke. Ei ole ma veel näinud kordagi ühtegi reaalselt katsutavat linki selle kohta. Mitte kuskil.
Imo sellised videod siia küll ei sobi...
Mis jama seal ajatakse veel? Pangad saavad tekitada raha välja laenates? wtf?
Ajame siis liini mis seal ajatakse alguses:
Pangal raha 0 tuleb klient 1 teeb sissemakse 10miljardit millest 1 reservi.
Pangal nüüd raha 9m ja 1m reservis.
Nüüd tuleb klient 2 kes laenab 9miljardit(mille klient 1 sissepani).
Klient 1 võib ju netipangas () näha oma kontol 10miljardit aga välja ta seda võtta ei saa kuna pank laenas selle välja. Ja pank on nüüd klient ühele 9miljardit võlgu kuniks keegi raha panka paneb või klient 2 võla ära maksab.
Mingit raha ei teki siin kuskil vahepeal juurde. _________________ 011010000110100101101110011011100110000101110110011000010110000101110100011011000111010101110011
See bill ei ole mõeldud elustama USA majandust ja finantse. See bill pole mõeldud olema päästeparv uppuvatele pankadele ja riigile. See bill on viimane võimalus teatud seltskonnal endale niipalju pappi kantida, kui veel saab, et siis kaduda. USA kräshib, USA pangad kräshivad, USA dollar kaob - tsaar Hanki see ei huvita ja nagu tõestasid edukalt mõlemad kojad see nädal, ei huvita see ka seniilseid idiootidest rahvaesindajaid.
Teeme nii, et edaspidi kahte asja korraga ei tee, nimelt siis liimi nuusutamist ja siin kommenteerimist.
Ning selle Ike kohta veel, USA on maailmas teadupärast ainus riik, kus orkaanide/taifuunide korral toimub suur evakuatsioon sisemaale. Muudes riikides võetaks kõik ausalt kohapeal vastu, ning kunagi pole kuulda eriti suurtest inimohvritest, kui just mägedes mudavoolud ja maalihked terveid linnu oma alla ei mata. Muuseas see sama Ike pühkis üle kogu Kuuba, ning inimohvreid oli 7(vist). _________________ Give a man a computer program and you give him a headache, but teach him to program computers and you give him the power to create headaches for others for the rest of his life... R. B. Forest
matrix: Aga äkki räägid HV-rahvale ära, et mismoodi on võimalik 700 miljardiga päästa olukorda, mille teglik suurus pidavat olema 62 triljonit dollarit. Ning, et mingit pidi vee peal olla, siis oleks pidanud see Bailout olema vähemalt 6,2 triljonit dollarit. Kuigi - usun seda oletust, et see 6,2 triljoni suurune Bailout võetakse ka veel lähiajal vastu. 8)
Tegelikult tasuks kõigil hankida laupäevane Postimees-Extra, selles on päris põhjalik lugu ühest varasemast Ameerika majanduskriisist, mis käis praegusega sarnase stsenaariumiga: Riiklikule toele, mis viis hetkeks majanduse tõusule, järgnes kohe kiiresti teine ja kõvasti suurem langus. Ja siis ei suutnud Ameerika valitsus seda langust enam kuidagi peatada
sa ei või postitada uusi teemasid siia foorumisse sa ei või vastata selle foorumi teemadele sa ei või muuta oma postitusi selles foorumis sa ei või kustutada oma postitusi selles foorumis sa ei või vastata küsitlustele selles foorumis sa ei saa lisada manuseid selles foorumis sa võid manuseid alla laadida selles foorumis
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