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sõnum 11.04.2005 17:55:43 vasta tsitaadiga

Ma tahaks mängu uusi nägusid panna nagu Torres ja Eto'o. Ma lugesin mingit lehte (www.edgegaming.com vms) ja seal oli õpetus. Ma suutsin uuendad nägusid, mis juba enne olid reaalsed, kuid mida sai veelgi reaalsemaks muuta, aga täiesti uusi nägusid ma mängu panna ei saanud. Palun seletage keegi, kuidas panna või andke mingi lehekülg, kus oleks tõeliselt hästi kirjeldatud nägude mängu panemine algaja jaoks (ma olen juba igast foorumistes surfanud, aga pole mingit eriti vajalikku infot leidnud).
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sõnum 08.06.2005 17:56:56 vasta tsitaadiga

Pro Evo 5 for PSP( News ) by Ellie Gibson

07/06/2005 12:33

Following the appearance of Pro Evolution Soccer 5 for PSP on a release schedule issued by Atari Australia, which publishes the PES games over there, Konami has confirmed to Eurogamer that the series is indeed going portable.

But only on Sony's handheld, apparently - there are no plans to produce a version for the Nintendo DS at present.

Which seems a little odd, since Winning Eleven was on a list of DS games in development released by Nintendo last summer. Hmm...

Konami producer Shingo "Seabass" Takatsuka discussed PES for PSP back in October, also revealing that PlayStation 2 owners may be able to go online with the fifth instalment in the series.

This has yet to be confirmed, as does a release date for PES5. However, Play.com is already taking pre-orders, suggesting it'll be marching onto the pitch come October 28. PES games are traditionally released around this time, so it seems like a reasonable estimate.

In other PES news, Konami has signed England and Chelsea defender John Terry to promote the series.

"I've been a massive fan of Pro Evolution Soccer for years now and am really pleased to be able to work with the talented people behind such a fantastic game," said Terry, clutching his bag of shiny new pound coins.

"It's the game of choice for lots of players as it is so true to the real thing. I'm looking forward to getting involved - and getting to play advance versions on the way!" Jolly good.

More on PES5 as soon as we get it.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59529
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sõnum 08.06.2005 23:50:00 vasta tsitaadiga

Nüüd ma oskan panna nägusid, aga ma väga palun, kas keegi seletaks mulle, kuidas panna mängu nägusid ilma, et peaks asendama mingi teise reaalse näo juhul kui nii on üldse võimalik. Palun!!! Ootan suure huviga PES 5, sest ajast, mil avastasin enda jaoks selle mängu olen seda ikka päris parajalt peland. PES thumbs_up.gif , FIFA thumbs_down.gif !
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sõnum 22.06.2005 02:30:23 vasta tsitaadiga

http://uk.gs.konami-europe.com/news.do?idNews=93

pildid ja info
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 kicks off

New moves and even better control as Konami of Europe confirms an autumn release for its world-class football title

Football fans will be warming up in anticipation as Konami of Europe confirms that Pro Evolution Soccer 5™ - the latest in the acclaimed football series - will be released in the autumn for PlayStation®2, the Xbox® and PC-DVD.

Pro Evolution Soccer 5 has been developed by Shingo 'Seabass' Takatsuka and the same team responsible for previous versions. This Pro Evolution Soccer team has over ten years experience within the football genre and has an unrivalled understanding of football and how to recreate it for home formats.

Pro Evolution Soccer 5 expands on the realism and total control that has become the bedrock of the popular series and has earned it a legion of fans. Also returning in improved form will be the Master League wherein players can build and develop a team of no-hopers into an unbeatable team with a trophy room full of cups and accolades. Konami of Europe will be releasing firmer details of Pro Evolution Soccer 5's many key advances in the coming months.

"The Pro Evolution Soccer series goes from strength to strength and the new version represents yet another huge step forward," commented Kunio Neo, President of Konami of Europe. "The team have again worked hard to implement a wealth of new moves and to ensure that the realism beloved by its fans remains intact. We will release new details of Pro Evolution Soccer 5's many innovations in the coming months, and anticipate that both newcomers and die-hard fans alike will be extremely pleased with what we have to say."









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sõnum 09.07.2005 20:04:47 vasta tsitaadiga

PES5/WE9 Video thumbs_up.gif http://www.fragland.net/news.php?id=11161 ~5min
OMFG, vaadake thumbs_up.gif Uued skillid on ikka väga kõvad icon_razz.gif
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sõnum 22.07.2005 21:44:57 vasta tsitaadiga

infi nats...
*On sale in Japan : Aug 4 only for the PS2.
*Zico and Nakamura on the cover.
*New mode: "Nippon Challege go for 2006".We'll be challenged to qualify and win the World Cup with Japan (PES5 will also include this).
*Players behavior will be more realistic.
*Two new positions: Wingback (like Cafú) and Second Top (like Scholes)
*Snowy fields. The game can begin while it is snowing or it can snow anytime during the game.
*We'll see breath coming from the players mouths during cold games.
*User Profiles: All our stats will be saved.
*Different Kabira partner : Kitazama.
*Online mode with no lag.
*Your master league team is playable online but only for friendlies; not for tournaments.
*Latest FIFA rules applied.
*New 'conmemorative games' (I don't know if these are historical World Cup matches or testimonial games for retiring players in the ML ) - It all depends on the transalation, this depends on the source. "Partidos conmemorativos" can mean both things in Spanish.
*New Master League options.
*Only tournaments organized by Konami.
*Two players can play on the same team in online mode.
*In the Master League, the evolution curve of the players has been improved as well as the system of the management system of them.
*The game edit has been improved. There will be among other things, a lot of *different kits to choose from.
*There's a rumor that there will be 4 new stadiums (Not 100% confirmed).
*TV add: http://shunsuke.com/topics/050618.html
*New ball: Pelias 2.
*New confirmed stadia: Valencia C.F.'s "Mestalla", Deportivo la Coruña's "Riazor" and "Newlands stadium" - Ajax Cape Town.
*2005/2006 kits for Spanish and Dutch leagues.
*Real fonts for Licensed teams ( names and numbers ).
*New kits types for unlicensed teams.
*Untuck jerseys.
*New Ball: Orange Finale.
*Different colors for wristbandslike Ronaldinho's).
*Finger tape (like Rooney).
*Maillots under shorts (like Cannavaro's).
*New stadium: Japan's "Saitama"
*Other teams like North Korea, Barein, Hong Kong are playable in the Nippon Challenge.
*New feints using R2.(depending on the player, he will do some or other)
*New camera: Camera "Bench" or "Coaching"
*New available players in the We-Shop: Lalas, Skuhravy, Sutter...
*More skin tones for player edit - FINALLY!!
*Cup WWL(?) with 6 team like the new intercontinental cup (6 temas, one from each continent)
*New Master League option : "My Stadium" icon_question.gif
*New stat in edit mode: "Nature" : From 1 to 5 (5 for aggresive players)
*In the online mode, you will be able to send messages to your rival when the ball is off the field.
*The host of the game can be changed during half time on online matches.
*The player control is less automatic, more manual.
The games human vs human will be more exciting. The saga creator mentioned 'total control.' The diagonales on the box will be more precise and exciting which means that defending will be an art.
*More shots will hit the posts.
*You won't need to press R2 to feint to one side -the side step.
*AI improved.
*New animations.
*If you press R2 when shooting, the player will ALWAYS kick the ball with the inside of his foot(more precision - less power)
*The shots will be me more powerful in the mid-range shots if the ball is not moving or the ball is coming your direction compared to dribbling and shooting the ball.
*The players with the "Striker" ability will be able to 'darle mas rosca al balon' which will make them score more easily - I'm sorry I couldn't translate that. *It's seems to be Argentine slang and I could really get the context out if it.
*New Asian teams included: North Korea , Barein, Hong Kong, Tajikistan etc...)
*The aerial game will be more realistic, one of the biggest topics of WE9.
*New free kick style: Nakamura's ( This player is like a God now in Japan).
*The game will be more realistic than WE8LE.
*In the last video about WE9, the 3D fans you see are not in-games images but the before kick-off images. Other improvements for example: the giant utranippon uniform on the stands behind the goals, and things like that.
*No changes on the menu before kick-off (the menu with game length, how many subs, day or night, etc)
*You can choose class part for the uniforms. Like it was supposed, it was actually true. Just like in the Confederations Cup, Brazil may use their yellow and green jersey, white shorts and white socks and they can combine these.It seems you can do this for all teams exception Japan (but who cares about the nippon haha).
*New national teams: Ivory Coast(with Drogba) and Venezuela('la vinotinto' is finally in WE ). It seems that the other national teams ( the asian ones: *North Korea, Bahrein) will be only available for the Japan Challenge 2006.
*If you set the intro to OFF you'll see the player formations while the game is loading.
*The WE-Shop seems to remain unchanged. There may be a PSP option but I couldn't find out about this.
*New mode like the Kirin Cup.

Stats: (what everybody wants to see )
Crespo UP. They say he's strong and powerful.
Tamada UP. They says it's only because he played pretty good in the Asian Cup
Miyamoto is more or less but they say he has like 3 special ability stars
Nakata, Ono, Nakamura, Nakazawa are 'sarpados'. - I guess their stats have been boosted up.. I'n not sure.
Joaquin has more acceleration.
Marcos Assuncao increased his Free Kick ability (more?? he already had like 97 how much does he have now?? 150??? jajaja)
Iniesta UP
Helguera from Real Madrid DOWN. (uy uy uy~)
Park Ji-Sung has increased his stamina an other things.
Pirlo has also increaed his stats in a more balanced way.
Vieri, Recoba, van der Meyde, Davids, all DOWN.
Martins UP.
Cesc Fabregas has his real face and increased his stats.
Downing from Boro has increased a lot.
Xavi y Deco UP.
Finally Riquelme looks like himself!!!!!!! It was about time
Messi has increased his stats a little bit.
*The games with snow are pretty good. You can see the orange ball rolling down the white snow like it happens in the european leagues.
*Sometimes the security people who are beside the field move.Sometimes you see the linesmen. and sometimes Ballboys too!!!! WOW This WE seems more realisic.
*During Half Time there's a new option "Abandonr game" In other words if you don't like the game you can just quit - I guess this is different because now your win-lose stats are being kept.
*When you score, there's a scene where the camera shows the player who scored from a camara in the stands and you can see the hands from the fans blocking you
*The game points after each game, the ones given to each player, are higher than in we8 or we8le
*Taking a shot on goal is more complicated. The first impression you can get is that it is much harder but once you get used to it, taking a shot will be even easier than doing so in WE8Le. The shots are more easily blocked in WE9
*Injuries not only happen with physical contact with other player but they can also occur when running or when you are by yourslef. (This guy mentions that Shinki Ono got injured in the second match of the Nippon challenge. In the second half he took a long range shot and then you could see him grabbin his back after that and when he checked if he was alright, he was injured!! without any phyiscal contact!
*Once you finish a game in the Japan Challenger 2006 mode, you get the image a sports newspaper with the game review and how the press saw how you played.
*Fair play has improved a little.
*Kawaguchi made a throw with his hands that went all the way to the half line ( just imagine Gomes from PSV- throwing the ball to the other goal~ jaja)
*Now the referee lets physical contact inside the box.
*When playing against the CPU, if your oppenent is on the floor and you throw the ball out. The CPU will give you back the ball.(THERE's FAIR PLAY!!! jajaja)
*They say there are no slowdown( He also says it could have been casual that it didn't happen )
*AI is more intelligent and smart.
*The field seems to be bigger
*Controlling the balls has improved. Defenders control and chest the ball with more realism
*When you are being pressed by the opponent's deffence, the passes are less precise than 8LE.
*Some lower class FW's are faster on the wings than Ronaldo. In other orders, wingers are better than Forwards in the wings because forward don't do this task that often
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sõnum 22.07.2005 23:58:13 vasta tsitaadiga

Millal "PC Release Date" on?
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sõnum 23.07.2005 00:03:07 vasta tsitaadiga

Plate-forme : PC
Etat : En développement
Date de sortie : Octobre 2005
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sõnum 31.07.2005 13:28:28 vasta tsitaadiga

videosid
http://www.filefarmer.com/sbomb/PES_5_online.avi

http://rapidshare.de/files/3412945/videos_Pes5.rar.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/3434410/Adriano.avi.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/3442125/becks_falta.avi.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/3442151/ronaldo2.avi.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/3442167/ronaldo.avi.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/3446522/...e_pes5.avi.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/3448607/pes5_zebina.avi.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/3455415/...online.avi.html


http://www.filefarmer.com/ashmufc/pro_2.wmv

http://www.filefarmer.com/ashmufc/pro_3.wmv

http://www.filefarmer.com/ashmufc/pro_5.wmv

http://www.filefarmer.com/jjoseca/pro_6.wmv

http://www.filefarmer.com/jjoseca/pro_7.wmv

http://www.filefarmer.com/jjoseca/pro_8.wmv
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sõnum 16.08.2005 13:39:52 vasta tsitaadiga

Kas PES 4-s uut option file-t pole tehtud....viimaste üleminekute uuendused jms???
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sõnum 15.09.2005 12:30:55 vasta tsitaadiga

Pole enne ühtegi PES osa mänginud ja kui proovisin seda PES5 demo praegu siis
ausalt öelda ei saa aru miks seda nii kõvasti kiidetatkse. Ilmselt viga minus, kuna ma ei saa nuppude
funktsioonidele pihta veel.
Graafika on ka täitsa tavaline ju. icon_confused.gif

http://kodu.neti.ee/~ugodit/pes5/pes5_1.jpg
http://kodu.neti.ee/~ugodit/pes5/pes5_4.jpg
http://kodu.neti.ee/~ugodit/pes5/pes5_5.jpg
http://kodu.neti.ee/~ugodit/pes5/pes5_6.jpg
http://kodu.neti.ee/~ugodit/pes5/pes5_7.jpg

Menüü taustamusa on vähemalt norm. thumbs_up.gif
lähen proovin nüüd mõne värava ka sisse saada siis vast muutub arvamus paremaks icon_redface.gif icon_biggrin.gif

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sõnum 15.09.2005 16:46:29 vasta tsitaadiga

esiteks on PES-i seeria eelkõige selle mängitavuse pärast tuntud(gameplay) kõik mis platsil toimub on teiste jalkamängudega võrreldes palju realistlikum...graafika ongi demodes alati s**t olnd ja PES-i õpib mängima palju kauem jah...eriti nuppude kasutamist, sest PES 5es pidi mängija juhtimine väga manuaalselt käima..seetõttu see võib algul täiesti algajal vägagi raske olla icon_wink.gif aga ära alla anna...mida raskem on mäng seda kauem saab seda mängida ju icon_smile.gif
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sõnum 15.09.2005 19:25:44 vasta tsitaadiga

mulle hakkab tunnduma, et ilma puldita seda polegi võimalik mängida korralikult.
Kui ühe käe alla paned shoot/pass nupud ja teise käe alla liikumis suunad siis
oleks vaja veel üht komplekti "nooli" igas 8-suunas 'triblamise' (vist on õige sõna) jaoks.

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sõnum 16.09.2005 20:42:29 vasta tsitaadiga

PES5 Demo nüüd kah väljas muide http://files.filefront.com/PES5_Demo___No_Commentaryzip/;4141802;;/fileinfo.html
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sõnum 17.09.2005 21:20:31 vasta tsitaadiga

demo installil on mingid jamad.... mul mingi erroreri pexis.. ja mingi 10 katsega õnnestus alles puhtalt....

mäng ise on lahe.... mitte suured erinevused.... aga nüüd saab raiuda ikka.... pes4-s ei saant nagu väga tugevalt lüüa... nüüd saab ikka virutada vihaga:D... mängu tempo on väiksem.... ootan fulli....
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sõnum 18.09.2005 02:18:30 vasta tsitaadiga

Animatsioon on kõvasti paranenud vaadake kasvõi õhupallivõitlust, kuidas käsi ja keha hoitakse, nügitakse jne icon_smile.gif. Peab ka mainima, et väga kohe meeldib see liikumise nõtkus, kuidagi palju loomulikum tundub. Ka 180 kraadi pööre, pes 4'as ja we8 kuidagi uimas sellega. Animatsioon on päris kõva tase edasi, palju rohkem loomulikumalt liiguvad. Soovitan korra Pes3 proovida, siis saab aru, mis hüppe animatsioon on teinud icon_wink.gif

sharkman'il on õigus, et tempo on aeglasem, aga mitte oluliselt, mängu pilt tundubki loomulikum. Aga üldiselt tundub väga viis mäng tulema. Värvaid saab jah nüüd raiuda, kui ikka tahad siis panevad selliseid pomme, enamasti küll üle. Demo install läks muidu ilma viperusteta. Tore on ka see, et menüü struktuur on muudetud jälle samasuguseks nagu see oli PES3'es icon_smile.gif. Proovisin ka kohe max raskusega (6 siis), umbes sama raske või tsipa raskem tundub. Olulist vahet ei märganud. Sai ka esimene värav löödud Arsenaliga siis. Ühe mängu sain kaela Reali käest, ülejäänud 5 mängu lõppesid 0:0 viikidega. Aga jah väga viis,soovitan demot kindlasti proovida.
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sõnum 19.09.2005 14:44:25 vasta tsitaadiga

Demo installimisel tekib selline probleem, et ta pakib automaatselt C: kettale selle installi lahti ja suunab Samuti kõik c kettale (kuigi oleks nagu antud ka muud kettad) enne kui C kettal vähemalt 700 mb vaba ruumi olemas ple, ple üldse mõtet proovima hakata installima....mängupilt on jah väga kõva..kuidagi palju reaalsem tundub kõik...ja Samuti teevad kaitsed palju paremat tööd lüües palli välja...driblada on palju raskem, aga samas tsenderdustest on kergem löögile saada. Väga kõva mäng...jään fulli ootama icon_biggrin.gif
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sõnum 22.09.2005 16:14:30 vasta tsitaadiga

Väga viis... Asi on edas arenenud küll Pes4-ga võrreldes just liikumise poolest. Kõik toimub mõnusalt yhtlaselt, mitte enam nii kandiliselt kui vanasti. Endal raudpolt plaan see asi omandada kui välja tuleb.
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sõnum 29.09.2005 22:47:46 vasta tsitaadiga

wolfi review
PES5 - PS2 Review
Ok, let's not dwell on how I got the game, irrelevant given I've already pre-ordered and paid top dollar for an original copy with priority shipping.

First Look
- Cool intro with some decent music. Much better than the WE9 intro. Rather than the street pick-up game, it has players doing skills moves against various backdrops with crazy special effects going on all around. The song that's played is really cool. The NTSC option is still there which is cool. Thankfully Konami realize there are a lot of us playing the game in N. America before we get WE9:I.

Main Menu
Terry replaces the Japanese player for the background. No 'Nippon Challenge' option equivalent. Load times seem faster than for WE9.

Edit Mode
*** Owen at Newcastle ***
Yes, mostly up to date freaking transfers - AT LAST!!!
Still a few ommissions but mostly up to date, the best Konami have ever managed with a PES release by a long way!

Gameplay
Faster than WE9. Not crazy fast but definitely faster, maybe a little too fast, not sure yet, maybe it'll just take some getting used to again. Most important thing for me - LESS FREAKING CONTACT FOULS FROM 50:50 SHOULDER BARGES. Thank you Konami. Bad points:
- Shots seem very, very fast even when not letting the shot bar go too far.
- Crowd on vacation problem still there.
- Bit of a slowdown in the box on some camera views (e.g. Broadcast)
- Dribbling still a bit of a nightmare on 5 stars even with Cristiano Ronaldo.
- Dang sidesteps still there 200 times a game! Have to get used to them for this year I guess.
- Goalkeepers will still only use two hands to save or just watch the ball fly in rather than make a one-handed save.

In-Game
Some new adboards, 4-4-2 Magazine, BT Broadband, to mention a couple. Look better than the default WE9 ones. Commentary seems pretty much the same as PES4 so far. Graphics very nice for the aging PS2, makes you wonder if there's anything left to pull out of it performance wise.

Overall
Well, I've only played about 10 games but it's an improvement over WE9 in a number of areas. The increased speed isn't a bonus for me as I thought WE9 was paced just right and the shots seem to zip off at a frightening speed even from people like Van Nistelrooy. The headers can be superhuman and the shooting from distance is still a little over-easy although they seemed a little more inaccurate than in WE9 which is good. After playing FIFA 06 on the PS2 for the last week which I've been enjoying, I can't say this has made me regret my decision to play both games this year rather than just stick with what Konami is offering. Looking forward to WE9:I though for my own country before I start any kind of editing in depth.

Anyway, worth the money as always despite my various issues with the game. Not sure it's going to move me from the fun I'm having with FIFA at the moment but we'll see.

Edited to say that the 'Network' option is disabled. This may be because this is not the final release (although I doubt it given the transfers are up to date) or some other reason.


PES5 teine demo tuli vct välja (milan, juventus, barcellona, inter)
http://www.planete-pes.com/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?cid=7&lid=60
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sõnum 06.10.2005 21:38:46 vasta tsitaadiga

Kahju et demo teisel versioonil menüüs mängijate nimed hieroglüüfides on icon_sad.gif
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sõnum 27.10.2005 01:14:56 vasta tsitaadiga

pes5 on väljas.... endal hetkel veel pole... homme ehk saan
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sõnum 27.10.2005 10:52:54 vasta tsitaadiga

peaks kah selle muretsemise peale mõtlema, millal eestis müüki tuleb?
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sõnum 29.10.2005 16:09:32 vasta tsitaadiga

et siis sain PES5 kätte.. kas keegi teab kas eestis poodides seda juba leida on??...

Igatahes.. postiivne ikka... 5 eri penaldi löömis stiili, mäng aeglasem, uuendused on enamuses tehtud, robinho realis, vieri milanis jne...
jätkan mängimist

option file
http://rapidshare.de/files/6873791/_SGN_Falkhon_PES_5_Option_File_1.0.zip.html



PES5 online....
mu msn on : sande88@hot.ee
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sõnum 29.10.2005 18:08:13 vasta tsitaadiga

mängisime sõpradega seda PS2 peal väikse õllega öö läbi: 5+ mäng 8)

hea et mehed enam pidevalt perseli ei kuku icon_lol.gif
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sõnum 06.11.2005 03:21:07 vasta tsitaadiga

Rääkige oma ML tiimist... ise teen Barcaga(Match Mode playerid). 5 tärni... 2 hooaeg.. esimene läks väga persse.. jäin 2 divisiooni.. Olen ostnud/vahetanud juurde C.Ronaldo ja Robinho... Mõlemad on kõvad.. Suurim petumus on ilmselt Deco.. kes on suht mõttetu... Homme postitan Line Upi
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