[anubis]

Kolmas punkt on suhteliselt no-brainer. Seda nimetatakse inflatsiooniks.

Neljas punkt ei pea paika, AMD tahab turuosa tagasi võita ja alust selleks on laotud pikalt.

[Tomorrow]

[labidas]

"tsitaat:
3) We will never ever get a true full-fat flagship GPU again for 499$ (at time of release)

GTX 480 - 499
GTX 580 - 499
GTX 680 - 499
Kui see on minevikus juhtunud siis juhtub see ka tulevikus. See on sama nagu öelda, et päikesevarjutust enam kunagi ei tule. Jah seda ei juhtu iga aasta aga seda juhtub. "

GTX6xx seeria full kiip oli GTX780Ti. Titani eest küsiti 1000$.
GTX9xx seeria full kiip on TitanX ~1500$.
Veidi minevikku: GTX280 maksis kaks nädalat 650$ enne kui tõmmati hind 500$ peale, sest 300$ HD4870 oli julm bang for buck.

AMD FuryX tuli 650$ välja.
290X ja HD7970 oli 550$
HD6970/HD5870 oli 370$
HD4870 oli 300$
Ehk nad liiguvad ka selles suunas.

Arvan, et see väide vastab lähituleviku kohta 100% tõele.

[londiste]

miks seda vaatamist alustada 480st või 4870-st?
odavate kõrgema otsa kaartide aja algatasid 8800gt ühelt ja 3870 teiselt poolt.

8800gtx oli 600 raha, 8800ultra 800+. 7800gtx oli 600 raha, 7800gtx 512 oli iirc 650€. 6800 ultra oli 500 raha.
x1900xtx 600+ raha, x1800xtx oli 600+ raha, x850xt oli 500, x850xt platinum oli 550.

[Tomorrow]

[londiste]

Tomorrow, ma eelmises postis nagu just kirjutasin, miks. 600 ja 600+ hinnaga tippkaardid olid sealt põlvkond-paar tagasi täiesti normaalne nähtus.
tnt on 6xxx seeriast sama kaugel kui praegune 9xx, nii et ehitad üsna vildakat argumenti.

[Tomorrow]

londiste, No kui piisavalt tagasi minna siis on kõik väga kallis. Võtame kasvõi VR see aasta. 10 aasta pärast on see ilmselt tunduvalt odavam (kui see läbi lööb).
Aga ok. Teemasse kah: kas peaks teema pealkirjas muutma Arctic Islands äkki Polaris vastu?
Sest siinkohal on veidi segadust kah - Polaris peaks asendama Graphics Core Next nimetuse (GCN) aga mõned arvavad, et see asendab Arctic Islands nimetuse millega ma ei nõustu, kuna AI on seeria koodnimetus ja Polaris on arhidektuuri koodnimetus.

[bitCON]

AMD R-400 "Polaris" seeria arutelu sobiks hästi imo

http://wccftech.com/amd-shows-enthusiast-polaris-ces/

awwww

[Flab]

Mängivad ikka ainult enda madala w peale, ma tahaks näha parem 4k 60fps kaarti

[Tomorrow]

Flab, See demo oli odavama otsa kiipidega võrdluses GTX 950-ga (artiklis olev slaid).
Sellest kõrgema otsa kiibist peale jutu midagi pole. Ainult see, et näidati ja AMD esindajal olevat IRWE näol olnud lol

Muidugi positiivne on see, et üldse midagi näidati. Nvidial on vist väiksed murepilved (aga võib ka täis-BS olla): http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-trouble/

[sooty]

(nõrganärvilistele hoiatus: terve artikkel on sarkasm)

https://semiaccurate.com/2016/01/11/nvidia-pascal-over-a-year-ahead-of-1416nm-competition/

Spoiler

tsitaat:

Nvidia is more than a year ahead of any competition in the mobile space as their Pascal based Drive PX 2 module proved. Held up by no less than CEO Jen-Hsun Huang, SemiAccurate felt it was an automotive tour de force. The losses of Audi/VAG were a thing of the distant past at Nvidia because of the new Drive PX 2 module and specifically its twin 16nm Pascal GPUs. Teamed up with a total of eight ARM Cortex-A57 cores and four Nvidia Denver cores, full specs at Anandtech here. Together they provide everything a modern automobile could need for compute in a mere 250W package. That number is more than 10x the power draw of competitive solutions so it must be fast! Getting back to their lead, Nvidia is so far ahead of the industry it is, well, nigh on incredible. Until the CES unveiling, AMD was widely believed to be 2+ quarters ahead of Nvidia on the process front, their 14nm Polaris GPUs had all the mindshare. On Monday January 4th, 2016, Nvidia showed undeniable proof that they were more than a year ahead of AMD in the race to 14/16nm devices. Not only that they were ahead of assumed leaders Apple and Samsung to devices on this node, way way ahead. Why do we say this? Take a close look at the below picture from the official Nvidia Flickr stream of the Drive PX 2 board held up by Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang. This was taken at the CES unveiling of the PX 2, and you can see the full picture here. The room is full of press and analysts so SEC rules mandate that everything said is absolutely true, it would be illegal to do otherwise. With that in mind, you know this killer device is both real and what it is said to be. The picture below is a closeup of one of the two Pascal GPUs on the PX 2 board that Jen-Hsun was holding. These 16nm FinFET devices are said to push out a combined 16TF of SP compute, a massive number for only 250W. That is only possible because of the process tech it is based on, 28nm devices would struggle to have half that performance in the same power envelope. But showing off 16nm pre-production parts is not a big deal, SemiAccurate held an AMD 14nm device in December. Why do we say that Nvidia has a massive lead over AMD then? Closeup of one of the two Pascal chips on the PX 2 board If you look closely at the chips you can see the date codes on them are 1503A1 and they are from TSMC. TSMC date codes are formatted as year of manufacture followed by work week of manufacture followed by stepping. For example the GTX 980 that was sent to the press in September of 2014 had a date code of 1421A1, the press GTX 960 from January 2015 had a date code of 1442A1, and the GTX 980Ti sampled in May of 2015 had a date code of 1436A1. You can work out the details of the press samples for yourself when you are bored. What this means Nvidia has had 16nm FinFET based Pascal chips sitting on the shelf for almost a year, barely a quarter after Maxwell was produced. That silicon was manufactured in mid-January of 2015!!! Everyone including the author was assuming that Pascal didn’t even tape out until Q3 of 2015, we were off by at least nine months, more likely a year. More importantly this version of Pascal somehow doesn’t need HBM memory to reach those heady numbers, it uses vanilla GDDR5 chips as you can see. That means the consumer versions of Pascal that have HBM will be so much faster than the quoted numbers for the Drive PX2 module that uses the GDDR5 memory that it is nigh unbelievable. Nvidia’s Pascal is so efficient that it can support compute levels that everyone believes is impossible with the memory bandwidths offered by the memory pictures. 16TF with GDDR5 is patently impossible for other silicon providers for anything but trivial benchmarks. How Nvidia made the big Pascal chip in such a way that both GDDR5 and interposer based HBM memory will work with the same package is going to be very interesting to hear, every other company using HBM has found this impossible to implement too. More to the point such a memory configuration shouldn’t be possible using even bleeding edge technologies, but Nvidia has had this in their pocket, literally sitting on the shelf since January of 2015!!! That is technological leadership if it ever existed, quite the commanding lead. But wait, the Nvidia leadership position is even more dominant than that. Those WW3/2015 date codes mean Nvidia had to tape their Pascal designs out in late 2014, even before the TSMC process was ready for such tapeouts much less stable. The Nvidia designers were obviously so good and so far ahead of the game that they were able to put out a design that worked so well out of the box that even on an unstable, some go so far as to say non-existent, process it worked on the A1 stepping. Not only that it worked so well that once TSMC stabilized the 16FF+ process months after Nvidia produced their Pascals, no update to the GPUs were even needed! Imagine that, so many critical PDK updates from TSMC and none managed to do any better than those plucky geniuses at Nvidia could get quarters before. That is a commanding lead if there ever was one, simply staggering process tech. So to wrap it up, Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang showed off what he said were two Pascal GPUs in an Nvidia Drive PX 2 module. The date codes on the devices he held up made it very clear that they had been sitting on these devices for a week or two short of a year, no one else was even close to large 16nm FinFET GPUs at the time. Even TSMC could not produce such parts for months afterwards, their process wasn’t actually ready at the time. And the performance is more than 2x that of 28nm AMD devices even without the HBM memory that Pascal was supposed to require. It all has to be true because as an executive in a publicly traded company with press and analysts who cover and trade Nvidia in the room, he is obliged by the SEC to be truthful. The only other explanation is that he knowingly lied to the press and analysts and showed a fake card in his keynote, something that would clearly be illegal. Jen-Hsun would never do something like that, right?S|A

[kaspar737]

[londiste]

meelevaldne arvutusvõimsuse ja mälu läbilaske sidumine. pressimaterjalideks ja tehniliselt korrektseteks suurteks numbriteks sobivad need eraldi ka.
eeldada, et investoritele ja pressile näidati seeriatootmisest olevat kaarti on ka vähe naiivne, kogu viimased paar lõiku sellest kuidas tsmc 16nm ikka 2015q1 valmis ei olnud on spekulatsioon. nii and kui nvidia selgelt tahtsid juba eelmist põlvkonda väiksemale protsessile viia ja ilmselt on jooksvalt mingid katsepartiid kividest ka saanud.

see 950 vs polaris demo oleks more impressive kui oleks kuidagi korratav - muu masina spec, konkreetsed sätted. vähemalt 950 tulemust peaks olema praegu võimalik sõltumatult kontrollida.

[bitCON]

sa lugeda üldse ei oska?

[londiste]

ei

edit:
mnjaa, pilt oli mingi muu. seega mu esimene point langeb ära indeed.

[Tomorrow]

http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-polaris-gpus-released-school-season-desktops-laptops/
Kaardid saadaval enne Juuli keskpaika?

[Kristoferr]

[jeesus188]

Alles keegi kirjutas, et suvel üldjuhul keegi kraami välja ei too

[sooty]

NVIDIA GTX 980ti tuli June 2, 2015 wiki andmetel. See muidugi AMD survel, aga siiski..

Seega ei ole üldse imelik oletada, et reaalse toote olemasolul edumaa suurendamiseks tuuakse see juba suve alguses müüki ja ei hakata venitama.

[erick]

http://wccftech.com/amd-unveils-polaris-11-10-gpu/

Värsket infot:

* Polarisest on kaks versiooni, 10 ja 11. Esimene peaks olema desktop versioon (ilmselt on ohverdatud veidi power efficiency't perfi vastu) ja teine notebook versioon, mille puhul lubatakse konsoolide tasemel graafikat thin-and-light segmendis. Parim guess on et tegu on umbes 1300 GFLOPS GPU-ga (Xbox One), mis suudab elada kusagil 15-25W peal (GeForce 750 Ti elab 50-60W peal ja pakub sama jõudlust).

* H.265 (HEVC) kodeerimise/dekodeerimise tugi rauas. Lubatakse 4K striimide encodemist ilma väikseimagi perf hit'ita. Twitchi generatsioon rõõmustab. H.265 on veel selle poolest silmapaistev, et 4K resol suudetakse säilitada sama pildikvaliteet nagu H.264 64% väiksema bitrate juures. See eemaldab korraga päris palju bottlenecke mis senini 4K striimist raskendanud on - kõrged rauanõuded, kõrged upload'i nõuded ja lisaks on ehk nüüd võimalik ka Twitchi bitrate limiitide sisse jääda.

[bitCON]

võiks teema pealkirja ära muuta juba.

see "aka" kõlab väga ebaprofessionaalselt.

AMD R-400 "Polaris" seeria kõvasti etem

[Tomorrow]

Pealkiri ja esimene post kohendatud.

[bitCON]

sweet

[londiste]

http://www.techpowerup.com/219348/samsung-begins-mass-producing-4-gigabyte-hbm2-memory-stacks.html

[Tomorrow]

Paistab, et teema nimevahetus läks asja ette: http://wccftech.com/amd-future-gpus-named-stars-galaxies-company-bids-farewell-island-code-names/

Head aega saarenimed. Tere tulemast tähenimed.
Greenland on nüüd Vega (Polaris 10?).